tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post3076763136119013211..comments2024-03-28T03:09:22.519-05:00Comments on My Ticket Confession: Those Lovely Words You're Hearing on The TicketThe Plainsmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-3716032121294172192015-03-02T07:54:18.133-06:002015-03-02T07:54:18.133-06:00Well hello, Larry (hello, Larry)
You talk to peopl...Well hello, Larry (hello, Larry)<br />You talk to people all day for a living (hello, Larry)<br />But all those easy answers you are giving<br />Are you really living your life that way?<br />Portland is a long way from L.A. (A long way<br /><br />Hello, Larry (Hello, Larry)<br />Two kids to raise alone just ain't that easy (hello, Larry)<br />The questions they are asking aren't that breezy<br />The answers you are giving don't always pay<br />But that's the way it is with kids today<br /><br />The calls are coming in<br />You better start to grin <br />'Cause you never know just what they're gonna say<br />(Hello, Larry) Hello, Larry<br />(Hello, Larry) Hello, Larry<br />(Hello, Larry) Well hello, Larry!<br />Shaggynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-3168103472382782042015-03-01T21:58:34.073-06:002015-03-01T21:58:34.073-06:00Larry in Mowry did say that he was moved to commen...Larry in Mowry did say that he was moved to comment owing in part to the vast improvement in the comments since the Rules of the Confessional were imposed and enforced.<br /><br />And I have to say, the last couple of threads have been of exceptional quality.<br /><br />Many thanks to all Confessors, legacy and newcomers.<br /><br />Thank you for shopping at My Ticket Confession.<br /><br />-- PlainsmanThe Plainsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-47184326181638391522015-03-01T21:51:06.651-06:002015-03-01T21:51:06.651-06:00Now that's a tease, Pman! Where's your new...Now that's a tease, Pman! Where's your new one, where's Larry's? C'mon, man, lay it on us!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-50681814887450168242015-03-01T20:32:16.701-06:002015-03-01T20:32:16.701-06:00Hello, Larry.
I'm sure the Confessor will awa...Hello, Larry.<br /><br />I'm sure the Confessor will await your analysis with growing anticipation. They'll have to sit through one of my blasts first.<br /><br />Thanks.The Plainsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-13445374680074609922015-03-01T19:29:14.455-06:002015-03-01T19:29:14.455-06:00Three part poster here. Glad you find my musings i...Three part poster here. Glad you find my musings interesting. Post them up however you wish. I've been visiting MTC for years, commenting from time to time. Haven't in a many moons, but the recent content, in no little part to the much appreciated and needed rules, has been so good, that I thought it time to chime in and "publish" the findings of my recent research, if you will.Larry in Mowrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-66027704542131208202015-03-01T19:14:15.598-06:002015-03-01T19:14:15.598-06:00FURTHER CONFIDENTIAL to Three-Part Anonymous:
Su...FURTHER CONFIDENTIAL to Three-Part Anonymous: <br /><br />Suggestion: Next time you post, give yourself a name. Predicting your fellow Confessors and persons of influence who cruise by this site from time to time will want to hear more from you.<br /><br />Would be interested to know how you stumbled on MTC.The Plainsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-26663053299856724302015-03-01T19:09:35.942-06:002015-03-01T19:09:35.942-06:00CONFIDENTIAL to Three-Part Anonymous: Loved your c...CONFIDENTIAL to Three-Part Anonymous: Loved your comments, and I think they deserve a post of their own, maybe more than one but probably just one jumbo post in the proper order. With your permission, I'm going to give them their own post, identifying them as those of an anonymous Confessor.<br /><br />Drop me a line (ThePlainsman1310@gmail.com) if you would prefer that I simply approve them as comments to this article. Hope you're OK with a little more visibility.<br /><br />If I don't hear from you, I'll post them after one more from me that will go up later tonight or tomorrow morning.The Plainsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-21021010866956170272015-02-28T21:00:03.952-06:002015-02-28T21:00:03.952-06:00@The Plainsman
By no means will accept that or an...@The Plainsman <br />By no means will accept that or any moniker given, I just read court documents which stated a PM drive host's salary at KNBR and know that KNBR historically is a higher biller* than The Ticket because they have the Giants, the Warriors and the 49ers. One of my closer friends was a ESPN Radio national host in the from circa 99-08, was with Yahoo! As well and now freelances who knew what others were making via his agent. <br /><br />Even in 2007, KNBR was billing more than The Ticket and only third toWFAN and Entercomm's WEEI (Boston). The Ticket was fourth, but according to reports*, $5M behind KNBR. WEEI is an interesting case in itself since around that time they reportedly gave host Glenn Ordway one of those “$1 million deals”. Cut to 2013 and Ordway's was let go, but before that allegedly was making half of what he originally signed for because ratings fell. He was replaced by Mike Salk from Seattle for $150K. Salk lasted a year and went back to Seattle to host AM drive and be PD at the same station he left. <br /><br />Over the air radio revenues essentially “peaked” in 2008* and have fallen by 15%. <br /><br />This is my last post of the evening as I have other commitments.<br /><br />*-The billing numbers which any of us will claim are all estimated made by BIA/Kelsey.<br /><br /><br /><br />DAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-51565898629368857462015-02-28T20:32:52.235-06:002015-02-28T20:32:52.235-06:00Google KTCK billing dallas or similar and you'...Google KTCK billing dallas or similar and you'll find a sports business article that says they billed 20mil in 2010 or 11 ( I forget, it's been a while since I looked this up) <br />It's possible that the. 500k figure is right, but I've been told greggo flat out lied to Whitt <br />My source was a pretty high ranking cumulus employee that had worked in the build ness department <br />I believed the guy for a couple of reasons . He explained that sales takes 5-15 percent off the top in commission. Then they have to pay all those other departments - business promotions production engineering etc. and pay their share of rent, etc. <br />Google Neilsen fees and you can find an article that says it's about 30k a month . Somebody has to pay Bennett catlin, etc. <br /><br />Like I said I beloved this guy, who said when he was there the main hosts were skl around 200k base salary with talent fees and ratings bonus on top of that. Said 500k seemed really high to him, thought they were more likely to be near 350k as a high. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-38389088105299638342015-02-28T20:05:11.350-06:002015-02-28T20:05:11.350-06:00Consider this:
In 2004, The Ticket's ad reven...Consider this:<br /><br />In 2004, The Ticket's ad revenue was -- guess? -- $23 million.<br /><br />In 2010, the last year I could find numbers for -- $20 million, bearing in mind that The Fan entered the picture in 2008 and ESPN had been puttering along for awhile.<br /><br />Still, a pantload.<br /><br />That revenue is generated by the four guys we're talking about, and others. They get paid.The Plainsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-89026941475179140272015-02-28T19:47:19.721-06:002015-02-28T19:47:19.721-06:00Fair enough, DA. Could Williams have conceivably ...Fair enough, DA. Could Williams have conceivably fibbed to Whitt? Could Whitt have conceivably inflated Greg's salary in anticipation of negotiations he might already have had in mind? Betcha.<br /><br />And thanks for the industry news.<br /><br />But I'm sticking strong to my guess. These guys have been dominant -- top of the market almost since they went on the air -- in a big-time market for 20 years, and they've had lots of contract renewals AND a couple of changes of ownership along the way. A wild guess, but I'm guessing they leveraged their position when new ownership came in, getting commitments for money to stay with the station when their contracts were up, assuming they even had contracts at the time. (If not, in an even better position to get healthy raises out of the deal right on the spot.) That's 20 years and a lot of contracts and a lot of change events. If they're NOT making north of 500 large, they should get new lawyers. <br /><br />You think they only make 50 large more than sports hosts in Nashville? Is that 104.5 The Zone? It's website doesn't identify a single host. The Ticket is host-driven.<br /><br />DA, you're Mr. Radio and I respect your expertise. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. The Plainsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-50077228903611066512015-02-28T19:17:33.861-06:002015-02-28T19:17:33.861-06:00I have given a guess before when this topic was br...I have given a guess before when this topic was brought up prior. Their salaries are in that $300K range for The Musers and THL, which I base on the next market down, SF, and that Cumulus sports hosts in Nashville top out at $250K.<br /><br /><br />Also, in other Cumulus news, they will release Q4 earnings next week and hedge fund thinks that CBS Radio needs to consolidate with Cumulus.<br /><br />http://www.thedeal.com/content/tmt/cbs-under-pressure-from-sandell-over-combination-with-cumulus.php DAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-90416050565407850582015-02-28T18:53:01.794-06:002015-02-28T18:53:01.794-06:00It occurred to me to check the Whitt-authored &quo...It occurred to me to check the Whitt-authored "The Hard Lie" in the Observer about the Greg Williams departure. Bearing in mind that that article appeared seven years ago, it states: "Long before The Ticket and The Hardline earned No. 1 in their coveted (men 25-54) demographic for two consecutive years, Williams sported more alter egos than Herschel Walker—Greggo, Uncle Greggo, The Hambonita, Robot Greggo, Li'l Girl Greggo, Motorcycle Greggo, et al. He soaked in his celebrity, attracting TV cameos, a short feature in Sports Illustrated and a salary that topped out at $500,000 last year."<br /><br />Could Cumulus have beat down some of the drive hosts in interim negotiations? Maybe, but I am doubtful that Mike and Craig would have accepted less to stick around. Maybe a small haircut? Could be. But I think I'm pretty close with the mid-to-mid-plus six figures. BaD, Norm, somewhat less. Remember that BaD turned down more money offered by CBS to stay at The Ticket, so stations are still willing to shell out for talent.The Plainsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-1538883182203405842015-02-28T18:44:40.889-06:002015-02-28T18:44:40.889-06:00DA, you're more clued in than I am, but I note...DA, you're more clued in than I am, but I note you haven't hazarded any guesses on Ticket salaries. I'll stick with my "at least half-mill" guess for the four drive-time pillars.<br /><br />The Plainsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-11724046990976168022015-02-28T17:52:43.886-06:002015-02-28T17:52:43.886-06:00Well, if you look at all the sports franchises, a...Well, if you look at all the sports franchises, all of them have doubled or tripled in value over the last 3 years... stock market has doubled over the last few years, so a 500k host might be the avg salary now.<br /><br />Norm- he has to be worth over 20 billion :) I saw his flip phone last year, cannot afford a smart phone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-32000200224780592532015-02-28T17:52:34.573-06:002015-02-28T17:52:34.573-06:00Imagine bring back Greggo. The buildup to the actu...Imagine bring back Greggo. The buildup to the actual day, then the show itself. The other stations would have to shutter their windows.pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-82548835854680140292015-02-28T17:42:47.819-06:002015-02-28T17:42:47.819-06:00@The Plainsman:
George, in talking to BaD Radio ab...@The Plainsman:<br />George, in talking to BaD Radio about his last UNT game, mentioned that 20 years ago, he NEEDED to hustle and work all the other jobs. Dunham Manor was created because he was hustler from PBP (play-by-play) job to Texas Stadium PA to other PBP job. Even with his kids college to think about, he wouldn't have still hustled this much if he was making $500K just on AM drive. His Cumulus salary is not that high, but the hustle/personal services contracts (e.g.: AT&T, Raising Cane's, Bob's, Classic BMW...) are where the dollars add up for the on-air talent. Even those post-game shows, like Diamond Talk are hustles. <br /><br /><br />The Mike&Mike analogy is far from being comparable since ESPN Radio is syndicated and part of the syndication is that stations must carry at least Mike&Mike and/or Colin Cowherd. Radio stations pay ESPN for those programs then sell advertising. <br /><br />I think you are overstating the salaries again. Since the economic downturn, radio contracts are now shorter in length and lower in salary since they are losing listeners. Plus, Cumulus does not have any of the top billing stations nationally. The Bay Area is the next largest market after DFW and the top sports radio host makes $300K (former NBAer Tom Tolbert). The court filings by his former co-host listed that his salary was cut to $300K from $400K by Cumulus in 2010. <br />DAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-38054414873674696132015-02-28T17:42:41.317-06:002015-02-28T17:42:41.317-06:00$500k, vow... Mike, Gordon and George, all three h...$500k, vow... Mike, Gordon and George, all three have talent, so $$$ spend is worth it. Norm and Bob, sports nerds, so they should be paid. Rest of the crew, I would pay about $28,545 per year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-76465555778727453422015-02-28T17:36:52.147-06:002015-02-28T17:36:52.147-06:00I've said this before too, I would love to see...I've said this before too, I would love to see a +1 with Greggo maybe 2-3 times a month. I will go even further to say Mike actually paid him a compliment the other day. I can't remember exactly what was said but it was respectful. I'm thinking it was during some sort of cross talk, maybe Ticket stock.T4 In Rockwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06550624081817663889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-25630473911848406032015-02-28T13:01:33.778-06:002015-02-28T13:01:33.778-06:00If THL is in a ratings battle, the solution is obv...If THL is in a ratings battle, the solution is obvious.<br /><br />Bring back Greggo. The audience anticipating and looking for a sign of the next meltdown would be enourmous.<br /><br />Of course, that will never happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-67883163547909553352015-02-28T12:27:28.951-06:002015-02-28T12:27:28.951-06:00Noon Anonymous: We've all speculated from tim...Noon Anonymous: We've all speculated from time to time on Ticket salaries. I don't know the answer. My guess is that all of the major hosts make at least a half-million a year and it would surprise me a little if Craig, George, Mike and Corby don't make significantly north of that. And some of them may have some separate income from endorsements. Just a guess, but it's well, well north of 150 large for the main hosts.<br /><br />The comparisons are not necessarily good, but Greenberg and Golic each make in the $2 million range. Yes, that's NYC, and that's a national show, but the market leader in a major market like DFW is still going to pay talent pretty well. Mike North made $1MM a year on local WSCR in Chicago a few years back. Don't know George Dunham's personal financial affairs or his sources of wealth, but you don't raise a family and build a fabulous home on an estate acreage on $150,000/year.<br /><br />So yeah, circumstantially, at least, I'm guessing mid-to-upper six for the main guys.<br /><br />By contrast, everyone BUT the main hosts (excluding Gordon and Donovan, maybe 1-2 others) make absolute borscht.The Plainsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09312877844275731926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-83059285620294414882015-02-28T12:03:47.270-06:002015-02-28T12:03:47.270-06:00I've said this before - when Mike leaves, THL ...I've said this before - when Mike leaves, THL loses it's identity. If they keep Corby on the show, it's just B&S. Rhyner's the heart and soul of the station. Just listen to the way Corby replies to statements. When he says "let me tell you something", that is straight from Mike. Except when Mike said it, you knew (or know) something good will follow because he's got the experience and knowledge. And the way Corby says, "Look..." Followed by the expulsion of breath - that is straight from Mike, too. I miss Greggo. It was bad when he went off the rails, but when he was at the top of his game, THL was so great. <br />The Musers still work hard and are still must listen radio IMO. pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-3985464087730907222015-02-28T12:00:32.177-06:002015-02-28T12:00:32.177-06:00What is the salary of a Ticket host???? all make o...What is the salary of a Ticket host???? all make over 150k???<br />I expect Norm and Mike to make well over 150.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-73878824540193211702015-02-28T11:30:08.490-06:002015-02-28T11:30:08.490-06:00Off the cuff I'd say Mike gives his very publi...Off the cuff I'd say Mike gives his very public blessing (on air, in the Observer and DMN) to a Corby and Danny HL (possibly with Jake as the third man), and the thing keeps going. Although you might have a not so behind the scenes feathers ruffled because they weren't given the spot BaD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8577236709648198825.post-56471448162003055042015-02-28T11:26:40.602-06:002015-02-28T11:26:40.602-06:00blergoyen and others who are confounded by Corny a...blergoyen and others who are confounded by Corny and-or think he's a dope, I ask you to look no further than 2/27 920pm for what I think is the best analysis of what and who Crony is. Well done sir or madame, whoever you are. You put your finger squarely on Cruddy's pulse, checked it, and made a full diagnosis. <br /><br />See with Carly it's all a big joke. It's funny. Don't you get it? Racism, sexism, all the isms are hy lair e us as long as you don't really mean it because you can't because everyone knows you're not that kinda person. Get all that? Life's a Comedy Central Roast! It's all in fun. Only an idiot would find offense. Specially from an enlightened, progressive soul like Cootie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com