Friday, April 5, 2013

East Texas P1 Holds Forth on Host Preparedness

This site has had occasion to note that sometimes the shows -- most notoriously, The Hardline -- is, shall we say, not meticulous about show prep.  I've come to accept it.  It's almost a Hardline bit, it doesn't detract that much from my enjoyment of the show.  They kind of revel in it.  At one time I thought was sort of disrespectful to the P1, but it was clear that is the way they're going to continue to rock, so I rolled with it.  But it's still a topic that comes up frequently in the comments, and I thought East Texas P1 gave it a good shot in a comment to the last thread.  Stern, but not angry, with evidence.   He only mentions Corby and Greggo as examples -- I'm not sure there are many from the other shows, but maybe you feel differently.

We'll let Eest Tex get us started:

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Okay, here is a rant and a question.

My first rant is why hosts aren't prepared. I have heard several things over the last few weeks that make me wonder how some hosts come up with topics (not related to sports). Do they see a quick headline and a quick overview and then try to pedal his opinion on the air?

[Before I continue with the rant I need to ask a question. Is it possible that hosts like Corby fake having adequate knowledge of a subject in order to "move a story along". If he/they are faking not knowing the whole story (i.e. they know the facts but act like they don't) then my rant is invalid and the method is part of putting on a radio show.]

Okay, rant again. I think I resemble the basic demographic of this site. Middle age, white, office job, lots of outside interests to keep me busy, etc. That said, I keep up with news. Try to buy a DMN on Sundays and read it through the week. Yahoo and MSN in the mornings. I keep up with the basic news of the day.

Why does Corby not know the back story on Robbie Parker. Today was too much of "I am not sure how he got noticed....", "How did he get in touch with the Rangers...", "When did he live in Arlington...".

Is this total BS or has Corby not read the DMN and not know the total picture of how Robbie Parker got noticed by the Rangers? All the information has been out there for weeks! Part of me wants to believe this is just a part of radio but I really believe that he, Corby, just doesn't do the most basic of research on his subjects.

The same hold true with Greggo. Heard him hold forth on a subject about search dogs not being able to sniff on the front door of a house. Greggo then expounded on car searches being impermissable. Had he done the littlest of research he would know the two are not the same.

Okay, rant over. But I think I may start a new thread on this site of subjects not fully researched by the host.

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My thanks to ETP1.  Hope this will serve as the new thread you were planning.
 
And each of you has my permission to wish Your Plainsman a happy birthday.  They somehow missed it on WTDSuck.  Your great comments, which sometimes ease my task in feeding the content glutton that is any serious blog, are always a great gift.. Thanks again to ETP1 and you all.
 
 
Twitter:  @Plansman1310



52 comments:

  1. Here's the skinny, East TX.

    When it comes to news items, current events, politics, and the likes they are not prepared. They are not prepared because none of them, including the house philosophy student Gordo, follow such things closely. Have you ever ever once heard any of them make a "hmmmm" point on any current event topic? I'll guarantee you haven't, unless by hmmmm you mean "you have to be kidding me!". This all started on 9-11 by the way. Prior to that, it was only on the rarest of occasions that anything outside of generic guy fart/chick/beer and sports talk was discussed. The thing is, they did an amazing job (the entire station did) on 9-11. In fact, they were better than most local news stations, tv or radio. It was from that point on current events became something tackled. They also became music critics around 2002; when Petty Theft got up and running and Rhyner started talking about it and Danny's bands over the air. Before that, music talk too was something only rarely hit upon. But with much better success.

    Bottom line is....

    You can't take anything said by any of them seriously when it comes to current events of any stripe. It is NO different than going down to the nearest bar and asking the drunk next to you what he thinks about the current economic situation. Hell, Jake just Tweeted the other night to the effect that anyone concerned about North Korea's bellicosity ought to look back at the last ten years and rethink. Well, Graduate School Boy, the shit taking place in the Korean peninsula right now is pretty f'n serious. The actions being taking by all parties (including China and Russia) resemble more what happened at the outset of the Korean War than what's taken place over the last ten years. Again, he's supposed to be up on current events. Well, he's not.

    Basically you have to block it out or turn the dial. I turn the dial much quicker than I once did. This isn't a doomsayer prediction, but I honestly don't think The Ticket will be #1 in a few years. It's lost its way.

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  2. Community Quick Hits yesterday consisted of Corby laughing/cackling at Indian folks and their "wacky" names and dominance of spelling bees, with Mike and Danny joining in on the fun. It was way worse than any Mike Bacsik tweet.

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  3. Community Quick Hits yesterday consisted of Corby laughing/cackling at Indian folks and their "wacky" names and dominance of spelling bees, with Mike and Danny joining in on the fun. It was way worse than any Mike Bacsik tweet.

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  4. This is the worst thread yet. How many topics do these guys discuss every show, sports and non-sports? Fifty? One hundred? How could they possibly be "studied" on all of them? The beauty of the Ticket is that they are just like us, just like the average guy--everybody has a few topics that they are expert (or close) on, and we all just guess about the rest. Asking a show host to be studied on 500 topics a week is ridiculous. As long as they're up on the Cowboys and Rangers I don't care about the rest.

    And "Bottom line is..." predicts the Ticket won't be #1 in a few years? They've been around TWENTY years--if people keep predicting their demise "in a few years" at some point someone will be correct. People have been predicting the demise of that station for TWENTY years. The staying power of the Ticket proves that their doing something right. I guess they have been studied enough on most topics to keep the station #1 for this long

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  6. 757, I'm sorry you think this is the worst thread yet, not because it necessarily is, but because it suggests that many other threads are bad.

    However, I come not to criticize but to suggest that I'm in grudging agreement with you. I don't like any of the CE talk not necessarily because I disagree with anything being said, but because it is so clear that virtually every host is poorly informed on CE (and the history behind it) that it makes me cringe to hear it from guys I like a lot. It diminishes their shows. It brings them to a halt while we suffer through these guys getting started on some CE topic, realizing they're in over their heads, and they struggle to the break while they ask each other questions about it.

    HOWEVER, I do agree that there is a (sadly) normal-guy aspect to this that is very typically Ticket. I really don't want these guys self-censoring to avoid a CE topic they care about, even if they haven't bestirred themselves to learn much about it. You may have heard the term: "LIV" -- Low Information Voter. This U.S. of A. has millions of them on both sides of the street. I'm not saying The Ticket appeals to ignoramuses, and it is populated by VERY smart chaps, but it is relentlessly upper-lowbrow to upper middle-brow, seldom straying above that range and sometimes dropping below. While I'd prefer that CE be left to the many radio talkers who focus on it, NPR, and many satellite sources (none of which I have to listen to), hearing an occasional non-sports opinion isn't going to kill me. It tells us a little more about who these guys are -- people we care about -- and while it isn't always appealing, it's the human parade right there on The Ticket, and it's one of the reason we -- I -- am so attracted to it.

    (I would agree that Corby, who I like, needs seriously to expand his daily reading list -- or at least read the smaller print above the big black print.)

    Agree with you to a point on The Ticket's survival. The twenty-year thing is a very good point as is the doomsaying, some of which we're guilty of here. But it does somewhat contain its own refutation -- because it has been going for twenty years, and human beings wear out and get bored, I do think we're going to see changes in the next 3-5 years -- a long time in radio.

    Even if Mike doesn't retire, we've all observed his increasing marginalization and flagging interest (but when he's on, he's still the best). Norm -- who knows. But I think at least one other host may make this his last contract. There are going to be some changes, but The Ticket does try to find home-grown talent to fill in and, I think, is doing a pretty good job of bringing along some guys. And, inevitably, they're going to be younger guys. The face of The Ticket will change. I don't think that means its demise, especially in the face of competitors' relentless inability to come up with any palatable alternatives.

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  7. Slobodan Milosevic. That was when I realized that Corby was utterly and hopelessly clueless about CE and history. He has to be the worst example of a history major I have ever had the displeasure to encounter. When he refused to vote for that bloody bastard for the deads because he had never heard of him I knew his depth of history was non-existent. D's get degrees. It was pathetic. He refuses to read...anything. He reads the headline, maybe the lead paragraph and little else. How many times has Danny called him out on it? What exactly has Mike had to be excited about sportswise recently? They didn't go to AZ and most of the news about the Rangers involved Nolan and the power struggle. They deal with the Cowboys as called for, but that subject lost its appeal for him a decade or longer ago unless it is to take a poke at Cowboys fans. Hockey? hahaha, right. Basketball, marginal interest unless it is a game populated by white guys with slicked back hair and tiny shorts. I accept them as they are, irritating, exasperating and yet entertaining. Oh and happy Bday Plainsman and hope the wife is on the mend.

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  8. @Anon 7:57

    I agree with you that the hosts can't be "studied" on all topics. I don't expect them to be. And I will (and do) give them a pass on some marginal current events talk.

    However, when they choose to make a current event a focus of discussion, I expect them to at least do a little background check. Robbie Parker was the focus of at least one segment, possibly two, prior to Friday. Corby knew he was going to discuss it again on Friday. (If it was spontaneous, then show prep is nil. But they pretty much admitted that on Friday.)

    A quick Google search or a modest read of the DMN would have yielded answers to all of his questions. And I believe had he had these answers and the full back story, it would have made for a better segment.

    That's all I'm asking; make it better. Take the time and make the effort that when you (hosts) choose a subject to highlight, do the research.

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  9. @757
    Shut up and go away. Seriously. It's over. Your schtick has run its course. Enough. You're as dumb as a stick. You obviously have no idea what this site is about. Take your pom poms and go start your own site where nothing but things that you agree with are said. Goodbye, moron dog.

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  10. I agree with those saying that what's irksome about any hosts' (not just THL) CE talk is that it isn't the fact that they make mention of them and perhaps have only the most superficial knowledge, but that they'll make them a focal point of a segment and yet are clueless. Most people I know or encounter (self included) either know about something or not. No matter what the subject is, if they know a bit or more about it, they'll talk more in depth on it. If they don't it's usually something along the lines of "don't know too much about that one" or "heard about it, but I'm sure what to think." In other words they don't pretend to know something they don't. Much less make categorical statements a la Corby on a subject they know nothing or little about. The few people I run into that do things as such are most always people I have no interest in being around. I imagine the majority of folks out there feel the same way. And that's what pisses me and probably many P1s off about Ticket CE talk. The rub is, it's NOT how "we all" speak to each other.

    @11:22 I'm fairly certain your comment will be deleted. But let me go on the record to say that while I don't agree with its harsh tone, I have to admit that I agree with its sentiment.

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  11. Yeah dude. Just like how Sparta, the Roman Empire, the British Empire, The Austro-Hungarian Empire, The Romanov Dynasty, the Mayans, etc. etc. etc. etc. lasted forever, so too will The Ticket's dominance. Oh no. Those dynasties are no longer with us. Never mind, those dynasties were hundreds and in three cases the argument can be made thousands of years old before they fell. And The Ticket, well..... oh. It's in its 19th year. It didn't become #1 until its 4th or 5th year. And the nature of its business, which includes longevity, is very short in duration. But c'mon. There's no way it could slip. No. Way. Too big to fail or something like that, right? You betcha. Whatever you say, dude. Doom. Doom. Doom Gloom. Gloom. Gloom. Happy, pappy? Hope so.

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  12. @YOKOYOLO
    Some good points. But I don't see what Jake's personal Tweets have to do with it? Good memory, though. When I stop and think about it, you're right in saying that up until 9/11 CEs were not something discussed on a daily basis, much less the topic for a segment. It was a rare happening. Same goes with music before Petty Theft got up and running.

    @757
    "Worst thread ever"? You must be new around here! Just kidding. But as far as threads that are critical, this is fairly innocuous. I'm not sure your point on The Ticket's years on air and its ratings/dominance in the market is a very strong one. Everything goes by the wayside, eventually. When you've crushed the competition like The Ticket has, and for so long, you're bound to become lax, lazy, and satisfied. I think there can be no doubt that we've been witnessing exactly that over the past couple of years. The very fact that there is no campout or compound due to it being a pain in the backside for some of the hosts attests to it. That THL renamed the Swimming Pool as How Will You Feed (which is really What's On Mike's Mind for the whole crew) is the only thing "new" they've done in over 6 years attests to it. And that the best thing THL has done in many years now is there over the top live spots attests to it. Even, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, The Musers have begun to stiffen up.

    @East Texas P1
    Spot on.

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  13. Sorry. I meant "their," not "there." Think and type: You go to jail, kids.

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  14. Note to Enterprising Saturday AM Board Op looking for stuff to snag:

    Danny Balis, during the Cirque mix:

    "I'M SO OVER SQUIRRELS."

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  15. Heard Mitchell Karasik do four Tickers today. Only a couple of stumbles, but speaking quickly is not one of his gifts. He has finally gotten the sign off down, but was halting over it as late as last week. Sorry, but . . . .

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  16. Back to topic: I pull my punches sometimes, sorry to say. I had written a whole column on a host's indignant summary of an article or something he had read recently on a matter of public interest, maybe it was a dcoumentary (I was in another room listening) and it was clear he had no idea that this subject, which I know a bit about (just a bit) even had another side to it. But . . . when I finished it, I decided it made the host look bad, which was not my feeling and not what I intended. So probably gonna scrap it, maybe tone it down if I get the time. Right.

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  17. Agreed. On more than one occasion I've hit the stop button on my heart radio out of pure frustration. I probably shouldn't care, but when I hear a story that the Snake is blatantly reading off Dallas News, or the Observer, I just can't handle it. The same goes for discussions of social issues or legal matters. I don't expect these guys to be "fair and balanced", but when they're so judgmental towards others, I at least expect them to know what they're talking about.

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  18. Hey 757, who said anything about The Ticket's demise? I said I don't think it'll be #1 in a few years. If you're going to make a big stink "look at the dummy" statement, at least take the time to actually read and understand what's being said. You do see the difference between not being #1 and the demise don't you? You probably don't. Some of you out there are just plain--ugh, never mind, you're not worth the effort.

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  19. Long ago I came around on the notion that callers add little to the presentation. But maybe the boys would go a little lighter on the pomposity if they knew callers were going to challenge their facts. Who knows? They might even find another John in Plano.

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  20. You know what, Anon Ron? You might be on to something. The problem is that for every thoughtful caller there are 500 out there who want to baby arm it up. As far as THL goes (and BaD is forever imitating them so they do it too), whenever a serious caller does make his or her way to the airwaves they are made fun of and promptly hung up on--excepting, of course, if it's one of their local yokel C/D-List celeb media or music buds. Moreover, that the baby armers are so prevalent only goes to show why no matter how crappy and lazy THL gets, they're still number one. They know this. Did you hear Rhyner say the other day how THL would rule the ratings within 6 months if aired in the Northeast? He also said something rather interesting that I can't believe Plainsman hasn't talked about yet: that we'll soon enough get the chance to go head to head with some of the East Coast big boys.

    I'd love to see what you suggest come to fruition, but it won't. I really wish those of you who weren't with this thing from it's birth could've heard THL way back when. It was caller driven. The callers were great. And it was awesome.

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  21. atlanta rhythm sectionApril 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Have a good'n, Plainsman! Knock back some shooters for you and me both! Here's to yer health and another year of Plainsman and MTC!

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  22. ausgang: "Did you hear Rhyner say the other day how THL would rule the ratings within 6 months if aired in the Northeast? He also said something rather interesting that I can't believe Plainsman hasn't talked about yet: that we'll soon enough get the chance to go head to head with some of the East Coast big boys."

    No, I did not hear that, and no one else has called it to our attention. Was this all he said. Very, very interesting. Mike probably talking out of school again. Well, if they're going to syndicate in the Northeast, that's a pretty ballsy move. This site has called for syndication in the past (look it up), but I had suggested a toe-in-the-water regional thing. If they're taking a Big Leap, maybe it will energize Mike, and Corby will read past the headlines. Stay tuned, and if anyone hears anything, post it here first, y'hear?

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  23. The theoretical move to NY was in reference to Mike Francesca and his big fat new contract.

    You all really want more phone calls from listeners? Not me. I detest caller driven radio. Call Norm, he loves it. I love hearing somebody get Sturminated. Paul the damn Viking, him maybe I can listen to for more than ten seconds. Random dude telling me Jerry the owner needs to fire Jerry the GM. Yeah, we know. Thanks. I don't miss phone calls one bit and the best part of the phone in for the emergency break sometimes is another vaginal slice bornborn jerk of JubJub's chain. Hearing him get worked up means the idiot callers win. Yay!

    I can find caller driven sports radio from coast to coast. I had to suffer through a year of it listening to them out of Houston. It suuuuuuuuucked. Gay or not gay? Homer call of the week? MIA. Yet another call about some player I could not give a big rat's ass about? In abundance. I became well acquainted with Houston radio and I am here to tell you Dallas has no reason to fear them. NYC better. If the Ticket every did syndicate, even regionally, or someone with a damn clue ever flipped the signal with KLIF they could rule a wider area. They do what the other sports stations do not, it is what keeps me there. I can get scores any old time I want. I can find sports news from a myriad of sources. I cannot find another station like the Ticket. If THL did start taking calls again, I would root for maximum chaos. Random drunken idiots or totally pissed off humans that just wanna rant like John from Plano. Hammer the surly old bastard or the snake or the gray cloud or even Postgrad Jake. Nemesis confrontation!

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  24. That's about all he said regarding it. I was thinking he might've meant that something more along the lines that CBS is bringing down some of the syndicated big boys to compete head to head with THL--i.e., to replace RaGE, among others over at The FAN. But perhaps he is talking THL syndication. The way in which he said it made me think he was talking on a more local level. However he made no bones about being able to become #1 in the East Coast market within 6 months. He claimed that that market is dying for something like what The Ticket does. Especially the edginess of THL.

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  25. @Cactusflinthead
    I don't think the idea was for The Ticket to go back to being caller driven like it once was (at least it was way more caller driven), but rather to take calls when they do a segment purely on current events. For some reason I don't think that makes a difference for you, yes? Which is fine.

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  26. aus, you are probably right -- it's probably an invasion "from the Northeast."

    Well, Confessor after Confessor dissatisfied with The Hardline has been bemoaning the lack of competition for it -- MF may be a mf, but he's big-time, and we'll see.

    If that is indeed what's about to happen.

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  27. I've kinda been RaGE-ing latly. I swear, if Richie wasn't so damned annoying, that would be a good show. Keep Greggo and Sybil.....FLUSH THE REST!!!

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  28. @aus Oh some of our brilliant fellow citizens expounding upon marriage equality? Or Pyongyang? Or the sequester? or gunz? Yeah, they would be great! Just like the guy that called in after John Rocker's experience at Breadwinners. Yep, erudite and well thought out calls! Pardon the sarcasm, but I would sooner listen to a circular saw whine. Callers are an instantaneous punch out for me. When I try to give a listen to the competition and within moments they are going to callers I am out of there. When Norm decides he is going to take callers 'next segment' that is my cue to move it on down the line. How many e-brakes has he garnered with our soo very informed fellow listeners? I have lost track, please remind me. I love listening to the aftermath of explosive Norm hitting all manner of buttons and tearing off on a screed of epic proportions, but while it is happening I had rather not be there.

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  29. So, uh, cactusflinthead, are you saying you don't like callers? I wish you'd be more clear.

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  30. @Anon1142 There might be 10% that are worth hearing. The rare event of a coherent, succinct point is not enough to make me want to fight through the 90%. Online I can read comments and in a matter of seconds decide if it is worth the time to read it. On the air I can either fight through it or punch out. There is no fast forward on the radio.

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  31. I wonder if Corby happened to read the front page article in the DMN this morning and, if he did, had second thoughts about airing his views a few days ago.

    "When Breanna Taylor was thought to have bad-mouthed the gang, members hooked her to a battery charger. They shocked, beat and sexually assaulted her for more than two hours at a Mesquite home.
    When they were done, they washed her body with acid, entombed it in a concrete-filled tub and dumped it into Lake Ray Hubbard."

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  32. What were Corby's thoughts?

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  33. Living here in Metro Detroit, I don't listen to the local ports station because they are caller driven. I don't turn on the radio to hear you, but to hear the host.

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  34. Again, my fine Confessors:

    No listener hears every minute of every show. Please give us the predicate for your comment when you're remarking on a particular broadcast item.

    Thank you.

    I have no idea to what 1257 is referring.

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    1. My guess is 1257 is referring to Corby's take on the Aryans after the DA and his wife were killed in Kaufman Co. Some confessors said Corby should be careful ridiculing them on the air.

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  35. Norm's back. time to switch to Elf and Slater for the next week as he bogs us down with his vacation talk.

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  36. Mike is just junk speculating as usual. RAGE may be toast, but won't be replaced by syndication.

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  37. 1. What did Corby say about that particular case? Context please.

    2. What makes 953 think RaGE will in no way be replaced by a syndicated show?

    3. How in the world did Norm get to go on a 2 1/2 week vacation to South America, come home, and a week later leave for another week in Hawaii? Whether he realizes it or not, I think by allowing for this, the CTO is begging to phase him out.

    4. I'm going to have to turn the dial when he goes into vacation talk, yet again. Enough already.

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  38. Yikes. I meant beginning to phase Norm out.

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  39. Norm won't take any vacation time in December.

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  40. Norm said that his vacation schedule actually helps out everyone else in the summer and at Christmas.

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  41. @Ausgang - I've heard a discussion or two on THL regarding how they'd compete against some East Coast/National acts. One occasion a few years ago, I remember Corky downplaying THL's ability to get traction with syndication or on satellite, but Mike responded saying, "you might be surprised how well The Ticket would do in a market like NY. I think we'd be a force within a few months..." or something like that. It seems to have been on Mike's mind for quite a while now.

    Plainsman, I've noticed a more frequent disclaimer when you mention corby lately. It's usually a criticism prefaced with, "and I like corby," or somesuch. Do you really like him if there's so much criticism with which you agree? I can't stand the guy, and it sounds like you and I agree more than not with regard to him.

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  42. If you ever hear them (defined here as "any host") talk about a topic about which you actually hold some above-average knowledge, you will realize how much they fake and BS their way through the segment. Part of the genius of being a good host is sounding like you know what you're talking about all the time, especially when you don't.

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  43. It didn't take long for the Masterba . . . I mean Masters talk to start.

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  44. Corby's lame bit might fly around here, but he would spare everyone to death nationally. He pratically spares everyone to death locally!

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  45. Can you see Danny screening cwalluhs from the northeast?

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  46. More comments by Danny to the effect that FAN hosts are soon to be out of their jobs. I wonder how much (maybe all of it?) is bluster, and how much is a reality that is in the process of happening?

    Because of the Hardline boring the s out of me witht he same crap over and over again, I have been trying to listen to RAGE some. Sadly it's worse than the Hardline. If they could find another host for Greggo to be paired with I think they might be on to something. Greggo still has the goods when he's on his game. Richie Whitt is, and I'm gonna be tame here, super unlikeable. I don't know who thought he would make a good host, but they were terribly wrong.

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  47. For what it's worth, RAGE was talking about the Morning News sports announcer bracket, and Richie not only acknowledged that his is not well-liked, he said he embraces it.

    BTW, if everybody votes responsibly, Rhyner and Greggo will go head to head in the second round.

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  48. blergoyen asks whether my Corby criticisms, frequently accompanied by assurances that I like the guy, are entirely consistent, and maybe I don't like Corby at all.

    I understand the point. But this is My Ticket Confession -- I mean the original Confession. Here is an excerpt from the very first post on this website, titled "Preliminary Considerations":

    "As I say, there are those moments, those shows, and sometimes . . . sometimes, those hosts that drive you nuts and you want to reach out to management and say -- this could be better. But the moment passes, pretty soon you're chuckling absent-mindedly about something someone says, and you realize that it's like a family. More than that -- it is family.

    "And that -- the affection behind the agitation -- is My Ticket Confession."

    I acknowledge that Corby has a very relaxed attitude toward show prep. I agree that he speaks hyperbolically. I agree that he sometimes becomes the OverCorby.

    But I still think he is a really talented broadcaster who I would rather listen to than almost anything on any other station on any other subject. Yeah, I shake my head sometimes at the juvenalia, and sometimes I punch it out. But I want to take care not to pile on Corby myself, because on balance I think he is a great asset to The Ticket. And his comportment when he has charge of a show, when Mike's away, or he's running a show at some other time -- you can see how responsible, appealing, and entertaining he can be. So it doesn't bother me that the future of some part of The Ticket is likely to be in his hands.

    Anyone else is free to feel differently, but because he's such a target, I like to add a phrase of clarification when I join the voices of criticism.

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  49. Dallas Morning News Broadcasters Bracket:

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/more-sports/headlines/20130407-sportsdaydfw-broadcasters-bracket-who-do-you-like-behind-the-mike.ece

    vote responsibly

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  50. So, Richie doesn't care people don't like him, huh?! Wait till his ass gets canceled! Richie is not a good radio personality, and he's probably burned too many bridges....for print or radio. Hardline did the right thing passing on him.

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  51. People who claim they don't care what others think of them. Who claim to embrace the fact that more people than not dislike them, and in a public way, are almost always suffering from (on the surface) a very inflated sense of self, and (at core) a near pathological lack of self esteem. Sounds contradictory, but it's not. The surface is a mask for the core; a mask that eventually sublimates the core to the point that the person begins to no longer see the mask as a mask, but rather as reality. In RW's case (and in most people like this) he's "OK" with it because he thinks that none of the "haters" know the truth about him: that he is a great guy; that if they only knew an 8th of the real him, they'd take it all back; but that's alright, he'll play the game. The thing is, in almost every case, the individual has a very warped self perception and therefore a distorted view of not only himself, but of the world around him. In the vast majority of these cases, it's more along the lines of "if the common factor involved in every dispute, etc. is you, then it is you who are the problem, not everyone else."

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