Friday, June 20, 2014
A Question for Acquisitive Confessors
If you, oh, say, call D&M Auto Leasing to investigate a new vehicle, do you tell them that D&M sent you, as Craig and George instruct you?
And there are other hosts that implore you to mention their names when you patronize a sponsor.
The reason they entreat you in this way is obvious: They want the sponsor to know that their advertising with The Little One has paid off. So they will attribute value to their advertising dollars and purchase more time on the station.
Tonight's question is: Have you ever done it? What kind of reaction did you get?
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I always tell 'em Rich Phillips sent me.
ReplyDeletethere was this one time when I used Rodney Anderson and I was all like "I heard your ad on the ticket and Norm sent me" and he was all like "hey, that's great" and then I was all like "and I also heard your ad on The Fan too" well, when I said "the fan" you coulda heard a pin drop and Rodney leaned in close and told me it was his policy that whatever deal he advertised on the ticket he would match and then beat by 10% if the Fan was mentioned. (you didn't hear it from me tho)
ReplyDeleteThanks to The Plainsman for the compliment re: the Millhauser quote. Usually, I have a bag of nothin'. Sometimes I got something.
ReplyDeleteKeep reading good fiction, PMan. Art exists to comfort the disturbed and to disturb the comfortable.
S.G. rant over.
Is it true a drunk P1 ran over a Sneaky Pete's employee leaving Summer Bash?
ReplyDeleteI don't know!
ReplyDeleteWouldn't that be in the news somewhere? I'm not seeing it.
ReplyDeleteHey machine great work on the Dallas Mavs Centro-matic video. If your a fan of Denton band Centro-matic or the Mavs check it out on www.centro-matic.com
ReplyDeleteFunny you should bring this up. Of course it's no sweat off anyone's balls, but I will NEVER buy anything Corby endorses.
ReplyDeletedoesn't that mean you shouldn't be listening to The Ticket at all?
ReplyDeleteDavey mentioned the (alleged) incident at Sneaky Pete's twice during the Orphanage Saturday.
ReplyDelete1- When will we have fake Michelle Wie? Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday?
ReplyDelete2-Tomorrow, when Corby "talks soccer" I will punch out, probably not to come back. In their defense, Dan LeBatard is on vacation this week, so I cannot turn to him for an off the cuff show. Heck, last week, they interviewed Peter McNeely, the white guy who was KO'd in one round by Tyson when Tyson got out of the joint. It was great.
3- I did hear the World Cup "pregame" show on Sunday and they had Craig on to talk about the team kits (uniforms). It was really bad since NOBODY knew about how in 2010, FIFA got more forceful in mandating Regularion 35.2...aka monocolor kits because there are places in the world who still have B&W TV sets or shitty color ones. England, Germany, Spain and Argentina got rid of dark shorts with a white/white striped top.
While Brazil refused the directive and has wore gold tops/navy shorts (but they have worn white shorts in the past), but Columbia complied and wore gold tops/white shorts and their opponents wore all dark colors.
Hell, there is no home or away; there is a primary and a "reserve" kit.
DA: 1, 2, and 3 from your post all beat me down.
ReplyDelete1. Fake Michelle Wie is my most hated Ticket character.
2. Any Corby driven segment gets me tuning out, but especially when it involves an off sport..
3. Similarly, any soccer segment will get me to change the station (or at least not pay a damn bit of attention).
Maybe it's just me but.....
ReplyDeleteEither Thursday or Friday I was streaming while at work. Busy with some other stuff and not really listening.
But I hear Corby (and some Danny) telling Mike how he needs to go see the match with a crowd. Corby kept saying how much better it was in a crowd and to get there early because it starts at 11:00. I kept hearing "get there early because it starts at eleven."
So Sunday I click over at 11:00 and find out that the match is not until 5:00 in the afternoon. Was Corby wrong on the time or was I just not hearing what I thought I heard?
If I were to count the number of times in the last fifteen years that I punched out during an 8:40 bit, I wouldn't need all ten fingers. I might not even need more than one hand.
ReplyDeleteFake Michelle Wie, however, allowed me to stumble into some semi-intriguing discourse on assisted suicide on KERA this morning. That character is freaking terrible.
"because rtanban (barely legible)" (I think)
If anyone sees anything on the Sneaky Pete incident involving drink and driving, please report back. I'm betting a reason why it's not being reported is because it could cause bad business from SP's...If it is true.
ReplyDeleteNot only have I never given credit to them for a purchase, I will never eats at JR's or spend one thin dime at any place that has Gordon as the pitch man.
ReplyDeleteMy problem with The Ticket's World Cup coverage is that it brings out the snob in me. This morning Junes said, "Is Ian Darke doing three games a day?" Yeah, Junior. He traveled from Rio to Porto Alegre to Manaus in one day. That's exactly what happened.
ReplyDeleteIf you're not eating at JR's because you're a snob about who the pitchman is, your hubris is costing you one of the finest dining experiences in DFW! They've got some great food over there...
ReplyDeleteP1 Mike
First time poster, long time reader.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I have trouble understanding here is the amount of energy given, and it may just be a very vocal minority, with regards to the displeasure of the overall state of the ticket. I understand many of you go back a few decades with the station and stick around because you supposedly know how great it was once upon a time, but to harbor such constant disappointment for something that is so easily avoidable just has to be tortuous at a certain point. Much akin to the person who stays in a disgruntled relationship and instead of acting on it spends most of his or her time bitching about it and claims "they weren't always like this. You should've known them when..."
I love the ticket. Have for many years. Sure, there are certain segments and aspects of a few personalities that can rub me the way at times, but the overall enjoyment I receive from the little one is out weighs any of that nonsense. Seems odd to me for some to stick around if most of what they get out of it is intensely negative.
I have used the services of some Ticket advertisers and on one occasion was asked if I was a P1 and was given a discount when I replied with the affirmative.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else hear a little bit of George Digianni voice coming through on Logan Gourley's tickers?
@1:11
ReplyDeletePlainsman is pretty sure Ticket personnel read this blog from time to time. I'd say that makes it a pretty effective way of conveying dissatisfaction with the product. P1's helped make the Ticket what it is today - what's the problem with offering a little constructive criticism?
That being said, I got a chuckle yesterday listening to Corby criticize a CBS Sports reporter for being a blowhard.
"...and fart out a half-a-black to challenge Jack"
ReplyDeleteThank you, Gordon, for making up for Michelle Wie.
@ 1:11. Thank you for one of the best, most logical posts ever on this site.
ReplyDeleteGeez, 11:10 aka 1:11, next time try and not be so obvious with the self pat on the back atta boy.
ReplyDeleteSome of you people, I swear…
I guess the same question can be asked of you: If the vocal minority or the majority here constantly criticize The Ticket and pine for the good old days, then why do you Mr. or Ms. Pragmatic Center choose to visit? After all, this site is easily avoidable.
@ 11:55, please don't play "gotcha" when you've posted three different times in one thread, acting like a different person each time. Your hypocrisy is so transparent!
ReplyDeleteNice try, pal. But no one is buying. You sound butt hurt. Aloe vera will help that, lil buddy.
ReplyDeleteWaterburger
ReplyDeleteActually, @11:25, I am @11:10, and I did not post the 1:11 comment, I just read it this morning and agreed with it. But I was happy to see a third grade back and forth ensue.
ReplyDeleteAnother example that nobody in this comment section knows as much as they think they know.
@ 12:44 is KT, fyi. He posts under his name, but also anonymously, per someone who works very close to him (but doesn't like him). You can tell it's his anonymous post by the tone and lingo.
ReplyDeleteNice of the Anon to jump on this Ticket site and start a fight, which has happened quite a bit the last 6 months or so. It's probably a couple of coworkers who are sitting right across from each other at a rival station. I'll get some who will immediately say that's not true but when you don't want to join our community and identify yourself, what are we to think?
ReplyDeleteI personally think this is how the Fan thinks they can get to listeners, by causing infighting and putting a bad taste in P1's mouths. Most of it is very petty arguments that I wouldn't spend 2 minutes worrying about but people will keep at it for days on end some times...just seems like an agenda to me.
@139 1244 was not me and i've never commented on this site under any name other than KT. Whoever you know that doesn't like me is wrong, and if they don't like me, then they wouldn't know about my posting on this site because I don't hang out with anyone or spend time with anyone who doesn't like me.
ReplyDeleteIt sucks to be falsely accused of stuff, even stuff as small as that, but it's still troubling.
I haven't posted here in like 2 weeks, and don't want to post anymore in the future, but I won't let someone say something blatantly wrong about me and not fight back. That's f'd up.
KT
To address your post PMan, none come to mind currently but I can tell you one that I will never ever ever EVER give business to, Reagor-Dykes. I do 90% of my Ticket listening online and they whip my ass to high holy hell. There really is no middle ground with their ads, I can't stand the guy that bought the big truck to drive his kids around because it's baseball season year round "yessir" and the even worse "business professional" that went from "school car to cool car". Who writes copy for these guys?
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Hey little buddy, do you go to any Cowboys, Mavs, or etc. boards? It's not all sunshine happy happy is it? Do you remember those 3 super bowls? I hope you do, I hope you do very much.
My only problem with this board is the lack of accountability or the ability I guess you could say about allowing anons instead of requiring an account and ip address. Too many times the comments turn into "I bet so and so is anon __:___ "
I was just in the market for a car and Reagor Dykes had one that met all my criteria and I purposely went elsewhere and found the car and bought it from another dealership. I refuse to give business to a dealership that thinks that spoiled teens bragging about getting their first Beemer and hokey good ol boys playing up the God & 'Merica angle is cool. Their ads literally cost them a sale last month.
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ReplyDeleteMy goodness. What the hell has happened to MTC? Sniping, "out logic-ing" each other, identity conundrums, identity "thefts" and accusations, "I'm done with this place's," a FAN invasion, and a mostly absentee proprietor who seem, on the whole, to "edit" only the comments where his person is mentioned in less than friendly terms, and gotcha games galore. Sheesh. This isn't how it used to be. Yes it could get contentious from time to time. But those times were few and far between. And for the most part even the contentious discussions were intelligent to some degree.
ReplyDeleteI used to think accounts and IP addresses were a mistake; that they'd deter actual insiders/employees from weighing in with info that they'd rather not have their names attached to. No longer do I think as such. WiredTexan and others who have long wished for accountability are right. It's time. First off, with the Reddit site, Twitter, and all the rest, any rumors and/or inside info that is leaked is easily found. Surely by now any semi MTC regular has come to see that the GypoNolans of the world offer nothing more than a cryptic line designed to elicit wild speculation--and thus in all likelihood some sort of weird satisfaction/power trip for the tipster. These little nuggets, if they do come to fruition in some form, most always are neither earth shattering nor very interesting. The only exception being BaD's possible leaving. But even that came out within hours of it being tipped off here (and in reality, the "uncovering" was mostly due to Confessors' putting the facts, etc., together, not because of a cryptic comment).
Bottom line is that anonymity and the unaccountability that goes along with it is ruining MTC. The supposed benefits of anonymity have not been beneficial. Just the opposite. I have a feeling I'm not the only long time Confessor who thinks as such.
The only problem here is…our fearless leader, Plainsman, if memory serves, is onboard neither with the idea of accountability (other than his subjective censorship policy) nor with his identity being open to the public in any way, shape, or form. If I'm wrong here, please correct me, Plainsman. I'd be more than willing to go "all accountability up in this biatch," but only if it's an all in/all or nothing deal. Which includes not only all commenters, but also Plainsman. Transparency is transparency. It should go in all directions.
I love this site, but it's becoming more and more unreadable, not worth visiting. IMHO, accountability is the only thing that's going to save it from going the way of other sites. Alas it's going further down that path with each passing day.
I've used the Ticket sponsor promo a few times and I've always received a positive reaction
ReplyDeleteBBQ, I'm glad you love the site, despite the fact that even though it is unreadable, it is becoming "more and more" unreadable, although how one could know that since it is unreadable to begin with I'm unsure.
ReplyDeleteWow, Plainsman. You did an excellent job of, in some ways, making my point. Just to clarify (and to not resort to your level of snark and smugness), I meant unreadable in the sense that there are now so many troll-ish and out and out trolls battling for attention, that it's difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you're in a lousy mood, perhaps not. Whatever the case, I don't think my comment warranted such a response. I was merely agreeing with a long held sentiment by many (what do you call them, "Legacy Confessors"?) regarding anonymity. A part of my "confession" was a mild criticism of you. Evidently my tone was too harsh. If that's the case, my apologies. Nevertheless, your reply does seem to fit in (in some regards) with the new mien around here. And very unlike the Plainsman I've come to know over the last 5 years. But yes, I still do love MTC. At least what it sometimes still is, but of late less and less--a haven for good, well-intended, informed, and above all gentle-personly conversation about all things Ticket.
Anyway, that's all.
Aside from well written ideas that stimulate discussion amongst those sharing a common interest, one of the best things about this site is the visibility it may or may not give to complaints about radio shows gone stale. While it's more likely to have disappeared in the bandwidth, I'd like to think my complaining put a cork in corky's sackless, daily bitching about his marriage-induced celibacy.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the anonymi wars go, does anyone with a name actually read them? Why would you?
Some Anon have good points to make. Just don't see why they wouldn't want to login in with a identifiable name.
ReplyDelete@ Plainsman, definitely don't think about closing down MTC...we can fight through this.
@Montemayor
ReplyDeleteCurious to know if that was before or after you became an employee? Most times, if I mention The Ticket, the employee/waiter/whomever couldn't care less.
Why would anyone want to hear the ticket talk Tyson Chandler, when you can tune into 105.3 The Fan and actually hear from the man himself? It just does'nt make sense.
ReplyDeleteI listen to the Ticket, D1 outta the box! From the start of Bayless morning show. THL was my drug of choise, but it's not as good as it once was, and I do change stations. B & S's bit yesterday about the baseball announcers talking their personal life while calling the game was hilarious.
ReplyDeleteMan, I was going to reply to the DELETED Anon 1:56pm message as I think I still am the main 'Cumulus Must Buy CBS Radio' guy because Cumulus has so much debt in the short term and CBS is still selling stations (but not their top billers since it is a mid-year election), but it still could occur.
ReplyDeleteAnd there are few phrases, which I really dislike and the Reagor-Dykes ads hit a few of them...
1-From “school car to cool car”
2-To fit “my sophisticated lifestyle”
3-The “Yes, Sir” guy who is a “Family Man”
It playcates to the other half of the LCD on a “Driver's Select” spot from BaDD Radio.
Win/Lose/Draw, I'll punch out when Corby "becomes Corby".
Don't mean to change the subject from sponsor talk to Fan-theft talk, but a buddy that somehow manages to listen to B & S alerted me to the 'East Texas Radio Boys' bit they have. It's a combination of Burrito Jimmy with some Fake Nolan in there too. Awful.
ReplyDeleteI'm not gonna link to it but it's out there if you want to find it.
@Jeff
ReplyDeleteREALLY dude? Bit of a stretch don't you think? "Hey, the Fan is talking on the radio...the TICKET INVENTED TALKING ON THE RADIO! NO ONE ELSE IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT."
East TX Sports Boys is a hilarious bit, and you'd have to look pretty hard to make the comparisons you're making.
@DA
If you are the culprit, you didn't say "CBS must buy Cumulus." Whoever said that consistently claimed that they were "in the know" and that it was a "given" that CBS and Cumulus were merging. Clear Channel has an unholy amount of debt and I don't see anyone making similar claims. Not saying it was you, but if it was, you were soap boxing big time and are now back tracking big time.
But then to bring it back to sponsor talk...I am thrilled that Lauriston Crockett has borrowed the tin can and string phone from Bart Reagor in order to call into the station and not interrupt valuable studio time. On another note, I like to kick Gordon in the nuts, but the swim coach bit makes me laugh every time. I hope Lauriston and Bart have an ad where they speak to each other over the same phone. And perhaps, as Native American parents, they can realize something that doesn't really apply to most listeners as they aren't Native America parents (beat down ad on iheart radio).
ReplyDeleteStop it, Gavin! Seriously. You're embarrassing yourself. EVERYONE knows it's you, bud. Just stop it. It's sad. It's pathetic. If I were you I'd hope your bosses don't find out you've been spending your time piddling around a tinfoil wearing operation such as this one. So sad. Grow up, Gavin.
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ReplyDeleteThe east texas radio boys bit wasn't that great IMO
Seriously, B&S's prank call bit is getting old. Are they doing it every day???? One day it's a sales guy, then it's some sports guy from a market that would never listen to their show that they're pranking. Maybe every once in a while that type of bit is ok, but every week? KT, can you clarify the frequency of this bit?
I'd almost rather see them do bracket talk than these prank calls. At least the guys on the show are having fun. And before someone pipes in and says "glad to see that you're listening", I fly by when the Hard Line and BSPN are on break. You've got big sports stories to talk about--aren't B&S the Mavs boys?--and you're doing a prank call bit? I wonder what the discussion was on this one.... oh man, Tyson Chandler news, but wait, we have this bit in the can that we can't put off until tomorrow, it's gonna kill! KT, I know you'll probably reply that the feedback was great or whatever, but it was nails on a chalkboard.
I honestly see so much talent with B&S when they actually talk sports, and KT is strong with hso's and bits, but I have to ask myself, what's worse? Kirby talking about enews and community quick hits that he has done zero research on or some prank call bit from B&S? I can't even get on the bandwagon of B&S copying the Ticket because the only thing it reminds me of is the gaggle of hyenas that was the Russ Martin show when they did prank calls.
If the Fan has a fan fan message board I can post these things there, just post the link.
Also, at Summer Bash, is this Bascik with Norm? Looks like him, just wasn't sure
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dallasobserver.com/slideshow/the-tickets-summer-bash-41356699/#63
At least Lauriston is doing his own ads now as opposed to they guy he got for the last spot, who sounded like he was nodding out on heroin and Deep Eddy while touting umuhh g-g-genostem
ReplyDeleteNo, Wired, it's Mike Sirois. I can see if you've no idea what he looks like how you'd think it. They do sorta resemble each other.
ReplyDeleteThanks @3:45. The resemblance is uncanny, but I guess that isn't saying much about bald white guys with chubby faces.
ReplyDeleteHelp me P1s
ReplyDeleteI have been hearing the Ticket guys reference a fast food place I really want to try. The name of the place is Waterburger. Does anybody know where Waterburger is located?
@WiredTexan Probably once every few weeks. I thought the bit was really funny, especially the part where Skin broke character. The great thing about comedy is that's it's subjective thought. Thanks for stopping by.
ReplyDeleteKT
@6:56
ReplyDeleteIt's behind Luby's.
Tend to agree with BBQ. But, even like The Little One, things evolve. I wish MTC were like it was when Greggo disappeared. But, I also wish the Ticket sounded as it did in those days. Good ole day syndrome.
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ReplyDeleteThe Shake Joint is NOT ready for morning drive. Not even close.
ReplyDeleteWho's filling in for Norm and BaD next week?
ReplyDeleteWhen does THL go on summer break? Will Rads and Follow fill in like normal? If so, consider me unfortunately checked out. Just can't handle Rads stepping all over Mark and his constant "resetting" of what they are doing or saying.
ReplyDeleteAnd BBQ, my man, I'm right there with you! It seems MTC is the last of a dying breed of Internet anonymity and I think it hurts us. I've only been here since RaGE debuted on the FAIL and I've seen such a downtrend in the quality of Ticket-posts and an uptick in ridiculous "Internet Tough Guy-isms".
"6410"
I come to MTC for rumors and some of the behind-the-scenes stuff. That's about it. I ignore the "Corby sucks" comments; as somebody who lived in Houston for three years, believe me, you don't want the alternative.
ReplyDeleteIf people with Fan connections pop on here with insider information, I'm interested. If the environment here becomes so hostile that all insiders say, To hell with it, I'll be incredibly disappointed.
I get that The Ticket and The Fan are competing. That's what they do. But some of the rhetoric in the comments here feels puerile. I love that the P1 loves the Ticket, but why not let the two stations do the fighting and use forums such as this to trade information?
I dunno. It just reminds me of the fight between Mexico and Croatian fans after Mexico scored their first goal. Why are you fighting? Half of you are shirtless and smoking cigarettes. The other half are wearing enormous sombreros (which makes me uncomfortable). It's not like you're on the pitch.
So my hope it that MTC is a place to trade information, and not a place for worthless pissing contests.
I'd like to start a slow clap for LuckyJim
ReplyDeleteRhads and Follow in for BaD next week, I believe.
ReplyDeleteShake Joint in for Hardline the following week.
Where does TC fit in to dry dock? Kinda sucks the way things went down, I do enjoy IJB, but I'm not sure if it's mostly because they let fly on everything.
ReplyDeleteI personally wouldn't have as much of a problem with the FAN "trolls" if they didn't insist on anonymity (or non-pseudonymity - it's not like I'm asking for PII here.)
ReplyDeleteAt this point, MTC really needs some attribution for its commenters - basically, if you're gonna say it, then allow us to assign history and a little context to what you say. I don't see the problem with this, but I'm sure Plainsman has his reasons.
I love when Corby registers disgust over our racist history (re: the Greenville billboard). I wonder how far you have to walk from Corby's house to find a black homeowner.
ReplyDeleteWell, he lives in Lake Highlands, not Gun Barrel City, so I'm thinking it wouldn't be THAT long of a walk.
ReplyDelete@Lucky Jim. props to you sir. That sums it up well.
ReplyDeleteLookithere you sorry anonymi causing chaos. Chill the eff out. Be nice or get out. I hope the Pman hammers the offenders into oblivion. I have been here a while. Been attacked unmercifully. I seriously do not give an s. I could do without the name calling though. Gets tiresome. It accomplishes nothing. I had rather hear some good innuendo and rumor mill harvests than the BS the anonymi throw down at each other.
It is a wonder sometimes the Pman puts up with it. He and the Unticket make exactly squat and all we do is make bad juju and noise sometimes.
KT keeps turning up. I applaud him for that. I can't tell you the last bit I heard from him, but he manages to show up when he gets called out. If some of the others of the Fan turn up here it would be nice if they could say so too. He manages to have a pair of balls and the wherewithal to use them.
I like dry dock. Embrace the chaos.
"Embrace the chaos."
ReplyDeleteIndeed.
With all of the former "combatants" in the sports world under one "banner" now why are we not seeing any cross pollination from the other Cumulas stations?
I know there has been bad blood between some of these folks, but let's bring Steve Lamb, Estridge, and hell, even Monty Cook into the mix. Lots of broadcast experience and HSO here for the listening public. Cook is the PA voice for TCU, Estridge is the TCU radio voice and Lamb has a history with KTCK going back to the startup days of Greggo. (it will fail) Radio gold to be harvested here, yet no one will water the field.
Cactus, you martyr, you. Man, they just keep coming at ya, but you aren't gonna let 'em bring ya down, much less knock ya down.
ReplyDeleteIf memory serves, you're the same person who loves to engage and be engaged until someone disagrees with you. At that point you get all socio-political on them.
Yeah man, you're just a warrior fightin' for freedom.
I'm totally in on the ID thing, but like BBQ I'm also only willing to play the game if the dude who runs this site is willing to do the same. Doesn't seem like he is. If that day ever comes, I'm in 100%.
After all these years you'd think Pman would say "hey, here's who I am all you long time faithful and in good faith followers, commenters, and GMFers." Nope. I don't get it. Sometimes I wonder if the whole I don't get to listen to The Ticket a lot thang is a put on. Sometimes I wonder who this Pman really is. But then I think about the Josh Hamilton ALS thing and some of the other asinine stuff the man has written and I think "no way is this guy affiliated with The Ticket much less the DFW media."
Whatever the deal is, I'm down with opening up if Pman is. If he's not, then what purpose does it serve anyone? What, so we can all be up front with who we are and be held accountable for what we say, but the dude who can censor anything posted gets to remain a mystery? F that. That's stupid. I totally respect all y'all who have legit IDs and what not. Yep, even you Cactus, you politically driven "progressive." I totally respect that you have a legit ID. Don't' tell anyone but I also dig a lot of your Ticket opinions, that is until someone rubs your ass wrong and you get all copy and paste links and copy and paste quotes from sources that you neglect to give credit for but like a clever undergrad student give just enough credit via the links to make it seem like the quote is your own. But I'm just sayin', buddy ro.
One more thang. Mike Sirois is awesomeness. One one more thang. Jake is awesomeness.
@ anonymous
ReplyDeleteBabyarm.
And with Town of the Cow's comment -- which which I profoundly agree and for which I thank him -- this site has finally come full circle.
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