In the previous
article, I speculated – actually, I just flat said – that Richie Whitt’s
information on The Fan overtaking The Ticket, at least as I was interpreting his report, was wrong. At least, I didn’t
believe it. Most of the reaction I got
back on this agreed with me. Among other
things, Confessors wondered why The Fan would move Ben & Skin to afternoons
and G-Bag to drive if things were going as great for The Fan as Mr. Whitt’s
number’s purported to demonstrate. They
also wondered why The Fan itself didn’t seem to be
trumpeting these results.
Since my article
appeared, I’ve heard from industry people who have provided me with information
that appears to answer these questions.
Now, I don’t know where Mr. Whitt got his information. And I am not claiming that he
inaccurately reported the information he received. As you’ll see, I think there likely an
explanation for why our numbers diverge.
And, as a non-radio guy myself, I don’t have any way of demonstrating
that the information you’ll see in a moment is accurate. As I’ve said in the past, I get tidbits now
and then from sources that I personally cannot vouch for. I suspect that what Mr. Whitt is reporting are
apples, and the numbers I have are oranges.
All I can say is: This sounds more like it:
There are a couple
of different strains to the information I have received.
First, let’s look at the reported
numbers themselves. Reprising Mr.
Whitt’s report as to the overall “ratings”:
Among the
coveted demographic (Men 25-54) in the money slot (Monday-Friday 6 a.m.-7
p.m.), since May. The Ticket has
tumbled from a 7.6 rating to a 3.2. The Fan, meanwhile, has surged from a 3.1
to a 5.5. Current score: Fan 5.5, Ticket 3.2. In its 25-year history, I can’t
imagine The Ticket every getting lambasted by 2.3 points in a month. Ever.
Initially – and this
may be the explanation the difference in our numbers – this passage is unclear as to what period is being reported. At first he
says, “since May,” suggesting that his numbers apply over a several-month
period and represents a trend, but his concluding phrase suggests that The Ticket got “lambasted” in
some “month.” I’m going to proceed on
the assumption that he’s looking at numbers “since May,” and not in a
particular month, since he seems to be suggesting a trend. I don't want to be unfair in characterizing his piece, but that's how it's being interpreted, whatever his intention. But if he’s only
talking about a single month -- well, that’s a different story than suggesting
some seismic shift in listener preferences, which is the tone of his piece.
So that we’re clear, the information I received relates to the entire
time period “since May.”
Next, my sources
say that what is important in the battle for advertising dollars is
“share.” “Share” includes the stream for
the stations in question, as well as all radio signals (i.e., AM and FM for The
Ticket). And when you look at share “since
May” – that is, June through October – for The Ticket and The Fan for that
period of time, the numbers are:
The Ticket: 5.3
The Fan: 5.0
Admittedly close,
makes it look like The Fan may be catching up.
But The Ticket is still on top – far from the industry-upsetting arse-kicking Mr. Whitt appears to be suggesting.
Mr. Whitt reports a
similar whupping among individual shows.
I do not have any information about individual programs (or individual
months), but his report is inconsistent with those June-through-October
numbers, if share during that period is what we are measuring.
Again: with numbers that close, it is possible,
perhaps even likely, that as the Niffle season gets underway, The Fan may have
bested The Ticket in September or October as some Confessors speculated in the
last string. And maybe that's what Mr. Whitt is actually reporting. (Somewhat supporting this
speculation is that if we go backwards with those share numbers -- back through
May, further distant from football season – my sources advise that the delta favoring
The Ticket is even greater.) It
wouldn’t shock anyone, and probably not even the CTO (Cumulo-Ticket Overlords),
if there were a ratings reversal in a Cowboys month. But overall, and over recent months, even conceding that
particular natural advantage for The Fan during some months, The Ticket
continues to outperform The Fan.
Second, and this is probably more
important in the long run, sources confirm my speculation that there is
currently controversy in the DFW market over Nielsen’s radio ratings procedures
(not solely related to The Ticket’s ratings versus its competitors). Nielsen has reportedly acknowledged industry
complaints and is changing its procedures but they are not expected to be
reflected in any instantaneous changes in rankings.
This may be another
reason that Entercom is keeping its counsel on ratings – the numbers Mr. Whitt
is reporting, and the narrow gap in share that I’m reporting, may be an
artifact of dubious sampling that will be corrected as quickly as they appeared. And Entercom knows it.
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*
I’m not a full-time
media or sports writer and I do not propose to get into a spat with Mr. Whitt
over the differences between his numbers and mine (not “mine,” but somebody’s). As noted, I can’t vouch for the accuracy of
my own information, so I have no basis to question his. I have suggested that the ambiguity in his
article over whether he’s talking about an individual month or overall ratings
“since May” may have something to do with it, and that we both may be correct,
depending on what our respective numbers are purporting to reflect. The tone of his article suggests some kind of
longer-term change has taken place in the sports-talk scene in DFW, and that seems not to be the case. The longer-term share numbers may (or may
not, depending on how faulty the sampling is) signal a tightening race, and
that makes more sense than the topsy-turvy 180-degree migration of 18-54 yo guys his
article seems to portray.
In fact, I’ve enjoyed
Richie Whitt’s journalism for a long time and I thought his Fan show with Greg
“The Hammer” Williams – we recall “The RAGE,” do we not? -- was an interesting
and frequently entertaining, if doomed, initiative.
Some long-time Confessors will also recall his tryout as a plus-one with
Mike R and Corby on The Hardline for a day or so back when the station was
thinking of replacing HeeHoo instead of promoting Corby. So I don’t want this to look like Richie-bashing. I’m just reporting what I hear in reaction
from people who know more about it – or claim to – than I do.
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*
One more thing,
speaking of Ben & Skin: The word in
the industry is that the switch to afternoons was not a decision of Dallas
management, but an edict from Entercom suits somewhat remote from local
programming.
Their departure
shortly thereafter was voluntary on their part; they were not fired.
* *
*
But what I really
want to know is: What the heck is a “stick-burner”?
ThePlainsman1310@gmail.com
@Plainsman1310
Stick burner, someone who uses wood in their smoker instead of charcoal or a wood pellet stove. A good way to start a fight in the meat smoking community.
ReplyDeleteI'm still not clear on how they collect their data for radio.
We have filled out the Neilson journals for TV ratings several times over the years. I even installed TV lines in houses in the '80s for Neilson that had a black box that recorded their preferences and downloaded them at night.
HAs anyone here participated in the radio programming?
Nielson and the traditional radio measurement Arbitron have merged and now it's just Nielson. They use a PPM system which actually picks up on a signal sent from the radio stations. The old way use to be a diary where you filled out what you "remembered". The problem with this system is how people remember listening and what they actually listen is quite different. However the sample size for one month can be skewed. They take say for this arguement 1000 PPM's for the market. Then multiple that by the DMA or listening audience. If for one month those PPM meters land with more 105.3 listeners instead of 1310/96.7 listeners then you will see a spike. Hence why it's important to see it over multiple months. The PPM game is to win the quarter hour. If you can get someone to listen for say the first 12 minutes of a quarter hour you get the whole 15 minutes. You will particularly notice this on music stations if you punch around and notice that they all go to commerical at the same time. The programming thought is to straddle your commercials over that quarter hour to maximize your chance at winning the next 15 minutes. This may also be why the PD at the Ticket (Cat) is always on their ass about going long and hitting breaks on time. He's trying to win as many quarter hours as possible. I am notably more of a ticket listener and have been from early on. My personal opinion is that the ticket is a little too heavy on lifestyle and not nearly as heavy on sports. If you listen for alot of the day you hear the same stories on muse, 1:30 news, e-news, community quick hits etc: I think this is particularly noticeable on the hardline when they go from E-news to Pig Pen to Music talk to community quick hits. Not as much sports talk in my opinion. Not a bad thing but a statement of facts. The ticket, outside of voting for something like e-brake doesn't believe in running callers. I think the thought is you would rather hear Bob and Dan talk about something than Morris in Duncanville. Be interesting to see what the long term results are for these two stations. Clearly Ticket is aware of these numbers as you have heard D&M talking about longer content breaks and shorter commercials during peak morning drive. 7:15 to 8:45. They are sacrificing revenue to try and drive ratings. I also feel that Ticket has too many live spots but that's for another post. Anyways, a little look into some of the ratings talk from a radio guy.
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ReplyDeleteOct 19 numbers
Thanks, Surly.
ReplyDeleteI have no info on this, except that I understand that "rating" is not the same thing as "share."
If anyone checks in with me I'll let you know.
Are you at liberty to tell us where you found that info?
That sheet has Share listed as well. I have no idea who/where that person got it
ReplyDeleteFrom that same (LOOOOONG) thread, from June of 2018
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Anonymous 5:54
ReplyDeleteIn the future, I would love to hear your thoughts on commercial load and live spots.
I listen to KSKY, KTCK, and WBAP a bit these days. The content/commercial/host live spot vs content is maddening most of the time. The line between shill and content is very blurred.
Thanks to 554. If you have any confidential info for me, let me know. Email is at the conclusion of the post.
ReplyDeleteFor those of you who followed Surly's link to a page called "RANKER".
ReplyDeleteFirst, thanks to Surly (or his poster "threesheets").
Second -- and I stress I'm looking at this as a complete amateur: If we look at that "Ranker" page, and we look for The Ticket compared to The Fan, we see The Fan there near the top with a 5.5 share.
When we look for The Ticket, we see: KTCK-AM with a 3.2 share.
We see KTCK "AM -- Stream" with a 1.1 share, which gets up to 4.3, still short of KRLD's 5.5 share. (There is a KRLD-AM, but I believe that's 1080 AM, a news-talk station, not a simulcast of The Fan.)
What I don't see is KTCK-FM.
So I don't know how to evaluate the numbers to which Surly is referring us.
Since my article and responses hit the Internets, I did hear from one of my sources, who reports as follows.
For October 2019, from all sources -- AM/FM and stream -- the numbers are:
The Fan: 5.5
The Ticket: 4.3
Which is what we added up from the numbers Surly's poster posted.
So, for the numbers measured for that September/October time period, we're seeing The Fan somewhat ahead of The Ticket. As various posters have noted, this is a Cowboys month, and also overlaps with the end of the Rangers' season.
The conclusion is that September/October, at least, is looking like a winning month for The Fan, without taking into account any errors accounted for by questionable ratings sampling.
If the Cowboys continue to play well and appear to be playoff bound, those numbers may well prevail. Whether they prevail in non-Cowboy periods remains to be seen.
But there's at least some reason to think that The Fan -- for whatever reason, and it doesn't really matter -- is closing the gap and, in some months, overtaking The Ticket. It's probably not the bloodbath that Richie Whitt is suggesting, but it's something.
Interesting times ahead for the -- let's say "venerable" -- Ticket and the ambitious Fan.
Also, one note on 554's essay: I have heard from Cumulus non-management sources that the reduction in the duration of the commercial breaks during that 90-minute period for The Musers does not, overall, impact total advertising time or revenue.
ReplyDeleteNoted P1 and Confessor Brad C has a new podcast. It's called "Another Dumb Podcast." To date, he reports, it is not Ticket-related, but I commend it to you nevertheless. He says it is available on iTunes, Spotify, Google, and other places you might look.
ReplyDeleteHe reports that he may comment on the current ratings kerfluffle between Fan and Ticket.
Brad C, if you have more information on how we can get to your podcast, please advise.
I gather it's pretty new, but let's give Brad C some love, eh?
"But there's at least some reason to think that The Fan -- for whatever reason, and it doesn't really matter -- is closing the gap and, in some months, overtaking The Ticket. It's probably not the bloodbath that Richie Whitt is suggesting, but it's something."
ReplyDeleteSince this broke, Ben and Skin and Kevin Turner have left the station. It will be interesting to see if that has any effect on the numbers.
Will Bryan Broaddus' announcement that he no longer works for the Cowboys have any effect?
While he will still be part of their broadcast will the fact he is no longer an "insider" change anything?
554 Radio Guy: I very much appreciate your insights on radio ratings.
ReplyDeleteBut I must say -- I have to take your claims of expertise with a grain of salt since you consistently misspell "Nielsen."
He misspelled a lot of words; with other typos, I'm thinking he just typed that in a hurry. I won the class spelling bee in the 5th grade, but I manage to spell words wrong regularly when I'm in a hurry.
ReplyDeleteBaby Jesus "...is the guy that got us computers..."
ReplyDeleteThe segment at 8:15 on holiday decorating was radio gold. A classic example of why the Ticket is the Ticket and the Musers have the best show on the station.
James, you're right. I shouldn't have been so snarky with 554 Radio Guy.
ReplyDelete554 RG, please accept my apology for nitpicking.
I'm a Ticket P1, and I'm a little worried we might see a little shark jumping going on. Things the shorter break experiment, and Sunday's Cowboy MST (granted, those have been done in years past). Some of the lineups are getting a little long in the tooth, and the audiences are changing how we consume entertainment in this world. Hopefully the Little Ticket doesn't go the way of print newspapers, Sears, and the Roman Empire.
ReplyDeleteI believe the Ticket is more in danger of going the way of Deadspin, especially with SJW Gordo and the entire HL.
ReplyDeleteSomeone just tweet Barry Horn for the love of baby jeebus and ask for the real ratings.
ReplyDeleteThe real ratings were already posted
ReplyDeleteIn relation to advertising, I don't care if the change in ratings does not affect the ad rates they can charge. I'm only curious about how the ratings reflect the interest in the station over time and what factors affect that. Is The Ticket acquiring new listeners from all the migration from out-of-state to DFW at a rate to sustain the current programming? Is the Ticket losing listeners? And if they're losing listeners, where are the listeners going?
ReplyDelete"And if they're losing listeners, where are the listeners going?"
ReplyDeleteApparently to the Christian music station (someone posted a link in the previous post).
BREAKING
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I wonder how many years "multi-year" means.
ReplyDeletePretty sure they’re typically 3-year deals
ReplyDeleteSurly:
ReplyDeleteBob and Dan should be coming up pretty soon then, right?
In the past, they've been 3-year deals. Congratulations to The Musers and to each of us.
ReplyDeleteBREAKING NEWS!!!!
ReplyDeleteCraig "Junior" "The Junez" Miller just discussed the ratings in Scattershooting. Said a very unreliable reporter said they had a 3.2 share when the facts are they have a 5.3 share and are still higher than all their competition.
Bob and Dan likely re-upped in the summer of this year. (Assuming 3-year deals, the big hubbub happened in June of 2013, which would mean new deals in summer 2016 and 2019)
ReplyDeleteJunior didn't contradict anything that's been said here, and he didn't even refute what Richie actually wrote. He only quoted numbers for the May-October total period and not the most recent book, where the Ticket did in fact get beat.
ReplyDelete"Over the last 6 months the Ticket has a 5.3 share, which ranks us ahead of our competition"
ReplyDeleteI would imagine they are getting about a million a year each at this point. The 500k days are so 7 years ago. Kelly Raspberry makes over a million a year. Cant imagine the Musers boys making less than 7 figures.
ReplyDeleteAgain: Richie cruised into trouble by implying that his numbers held for an extended period, rather than for a single month -- which is prose also hinted. Whether the fuzzy drafting was intentional or inadvertent, that's why he's open to ripostes like Craig's.
ReplyDeleteGugree with all above. What I found interesting (and the Breaking News was meant to be tongue-in-cheek) was that he addressed it so directly. The transcript, done by me via the Sportsday App rewind feature:
ReplyDeleteCRAIG: Alright, we need to address the radio ratings for a moment because there’s a lot of misinformation floating around. A very unreliable reporter recently wrote that over the last 6 months The Ticket has a 3.2 share in the men 25-54 demo, which knocked us out of first place, and that is simply not true. Over the last 6 months The Ticket has a 5.3 share which ranks us still ahead of all of our competition. So there’s a lot of fake news out there about America’s Favorite Radio Station so, as always, consider the source. And of course, a big Thank You to our loyal P1’s for their continued support.
GEORGE: Thank you P1’s
I highly doubt The Musers make a million dollars a year each. It's definitely six figures, but a million? From Cumulus? No way.
ReplyDeleteYeah...no way a million. Now Corby, he probably makes 8 million a year. He knows he's worth it.
DeleteA limited number of major-market leading hosts have been making seven figs for awhile now. Most stations, though, only have one, maybe two superstars -- the Ticket, arguably, has a half-dozen or more. I'm guessing upper-middle six for The Musers. And with Cumulus only having emerged from bankruptcy summer before last, I'm sure it's viewing renewed contracts with caution, got some kind of informal salary cap. On the other hand, when only some of your properties are making really big money, you have to take care of the talent.
ReplyDeleteWe can talk about "major market" all we want, but let's not forget the stream. The Ticket is not only bad (in a good way), it's nationwide -- worldwide.
That The Musers made out extremely well even in these lean times for radio is proved by seven words in the statement the boys issued: "This company has made us feel appreciated."
Ben and Skin have hinted on their FB page that Valentine's Day they return to DFW radio airwaves on a "good station". What might that be? The Little Ticket?
ReplyDeleteInnarestin. Seems unlikely, unless it's an evening or weekend show. Given the right format, and after they tamp down some of the bits and fake enthusiasm, I'd give that show a listen.
ReplyDeleteBut the only candidate for replacement would be Donovan and Norm if and only if Norm decides to retire entirely, which I don't think is going to happen. And if he did, surely they'd fill that slot with some deserving JV and not B&S.
Nevermind The Ticket, Ben just confirmed it's not the Ticket. People are speculating 97.1. Who knows.
ReplyDeleteAs a guy who worked on that show for 6.5 years, I take a little bit of offense at the "fake enthusiasm" comment. Just because our show was high energy, that doesn't mean the enthusiasm wasn't authentic.
ReplyDeleteWhen I left The Ticket to go to The Fan on a full-time offer the ratings weren't particularly great. I'm happy to say that when I left The Fan, our show was #1 in our time slot and even Ticket hosts had acknowledged over the years that the station was real competition. I think that's saying a lot considering how legendary the little ticket truly is.
I hope KT lands somewhere soon. He's too talented to not be working on air in DFW. I agree with your comment. The B&S Show is/was great always a breath of fresh air. I always found it authentic. I just can't figure out why he wasn't retained and given a shot with either a new show or with another existing show.
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ReplyDeleteRuss Martin replacement?
Hey, welcome back, KT. Sorry you didn't care for my judgment, but I'm not the only one who has remarked on what sounded like the forced gaiety of the B&S show.
ReplyDeleteI've heard it from listeners and from radio people. And B&S was positioned to take share from an increasingly stale Hardline, but it couldn't do it, except maybe in this last month -- it just sounded too much like Homerville and party-all-the-time, and it didn't sell.
But most of all, I'm comparing the show to the weekend show they used to do on The Ticket, which was laid back and, to my ear, more genuine to the type of guys they are.
Anyway, thanks for checking in. You have a lot of personal goodwill on this site and from its readers. We all hope you find something worthwhile -- maybe with the new B&S show.
@ Gopher
ReplyDeleteRuss Martin was my first thought but didn't he sign a new contract recently? I thought the home studio was a condition of his re-signing. But I could be totally wrong about that.
Russ used to be my button punch whenever the Hardline wandered away from quality broadcasting, but Russ' appearance has become so sporadic that I don't even try anymore.
I can’t deal with Russ, he is like Corby but on the other side of the isle. Every opinion he gives is just a gut reaction with no investigation or understanding of the issue.
DeleteListening to Russ or Corby is like listening to a 14 year old boy talk. They saw the headline finished the story in their head and now they are experts ready to tell you why no one could ever believe X despite something like 150 million Americans believing X.
Who's to say KEGL can't have both shows? Hard rock/rock genre (radio and music sales and concert attendance...size of venues, too) is dying. Has been for some time. It's only the classic rock oldies acts that earn serious money for the radio and record industries. Ditto concert attendance and venue sizes played. KEGL is not a classic rock station. So why not bring another guy talker aboard?
ReplyDeleteThe newest +6 numbers.
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@Plainsman You know me, we're good, I just think sometimes narratives get spread about shows, especially from listeners at other stations who don't give enough of a listen.
ReplyDeleteI have no dog in the hunt anymore, but I do want to say that while we were never able to consistently beat the Hardline, we did compete. We were consistently a Top 5 PM drive show in the metroplex, and honestly given legendary shows like The Hardline and Russ Martin, that's pretty awesome. We were in the 20s when we took over for Richie and Greggo and ended up consistently in the Top 5, sometimes in the Top 3 and we beat the Hardline a few months over my 6.5 year span there. We even had a few #1 finishes in that time.
Ben, Skin, and I were all Ticket guys first and I thought we really helped The Fan from a personality standpoint.
Whatever people's opinions are about The Hardline, and i'm referencing your comment "And B&S was positioned to take share from an increasingly stale Hardline, but it couldn't do it, except maybe in this last month"------well our show was Midday during the last month or two of those ratings.
But in the past we'd beaten The Hardline in monthly ratings before. Not often. Trust me The HL was on top and sometimes we'd get the ratings and go Jesus, they got a 10 share, holy shit how do I compete against that?
I just think if given a fair shot, that many would come around on that show that we did. In the end that's the true testament to The Ticket and the P1. They created an atmosphere that says if you listen to anything else then F You, and I respect it because I used to feel that way too.
As for me, I still work at The Athletic but I do miss radio. No funeral.
Thanks for checking in, KT. Always good to get direct perspective from the participants. We can only guess at what goes on, but you guys have the news. Thanks again.
ReplyDeleteD magazine says Ben and Skin will be "back on the air in about 60 days, but they can’t talk about it". Says it is because of non-compete clause.
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Richie with the receipts
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Richie's response proves what I was saying -- he wasn't clear about what time period he was talking about. Read the quote from his article in the above article. Then read what he is now saying in the article Surly just posted:
ReplyDelete"I, of course, did not write that 3.2 was a six-month average. Accurately, I did write that 3.2 was the October end point of The Ticket’s six-month nose drive."
Well . . . Richie, you sorta did imply that your numbers were "since May," a multi-month average, and you will see that the word "October" does not appear in it that summary.
Now, to be fair, in the next paragraph, he does talk about October numbers for individual shows, from which it might be surmised that his big summary was only about October.
But it wasn't at all clear from the drafting he employed, and in fact, take a look at what he's NOW saying -- that The Ticket suffered "a six-month nose dive." Which he just got done denying he was talking about, insisting that he was only reporting October.
So while it looks like advantage Fan for October, I think it's also fair to say that Richie is still trying to have it both ways -- claiming he was only talking about October numbers, but in the next breath -- actually, the same breath -- portraying the October numbers as the "end point" of a "six month nose dive" -- a six months where The Ticket outpointed the Fan overall.
It was clear to me what he was saying in the original article
ReplyDeleteI'm so confused. So did RW lie? Did he tell the truth? I'm guessing the truth lies somewhere in the middle. They are probably still leading while diminishing their lead. Don't believe everything you're told.
ReplyDeleteNo more Pig Pen!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteRichie Whitt did not lie. If anybody lied, it was Junes, although I’d call it disingenuous rather than lying. The Ticket is not leading. They lost every daypart to the Fan.
ReplyDeleteSurly Bevo says it's that way, therefore it is. SB also participates/perhaps hosts/and-or moderates a board whose contributors regularly say rather awful things about Junes. E.g., the day the pics from his recent wedding were made public claims of him being a cuckold were bandied about, among others. Charitable stuff for sure. Surly Bevo is in the know. You don't have to ask him, he'll tell you.
ReplyDeleteNobody is lying.
ReplyDeleteSurly's no-doubt accurate claim to have discerned Richie's intention from the beginning notwithstanding, Richie has now been at least misleading twice about the numbers. I read Richie's lede graf the same way Craig did, at least at first.
An accurate report would be: Based on current sampling practices -- which are apparently in some question in the industry, but let's put that aside -- The Fan beat The Ticket in October. The Fan has not beat The Ticket for the past six months as Richie implied in his first article, and (ambiguously) doubled-down on in the most recent article by calling it a "six-month nose dive." If you want to say that The Fan is "currently in the lead in the ratings race," you can do that and you won't get an argument from me.
And I can't prove this, but I still think the industry in general -- including The Fan overlords -- aren't terribly impressed by The Fan's apparent leapfrogging of The Ticket. Partly this is Cowboys hangover; partly it's skepticism about Nielsen. If Cumulus were really concerned about some baked-in plummeting of The Ticket's ratings, they wouldn't have re-upped The Musers -- reportedly thrashed in October -- for another three years at what was undoubtedly a handsome charge.
Actual tweet from Rhyner Thursday around 8:00 pm after Cowboys' loss:
ReplyDeleteTuned in to Ticket postgame show...planned on giving a bunch of that all-important time spent listening...first thing I hear is the poison pill: 'let's talk to computer'...total time spent listening: 7 seconds and out
Well, he missed the two calls of the year. Computer and the dude right after him were insane.
ReplyDeleteComputer is never good radio but his breakdowns over the Cowboys truly make me concerned for his well being. Also the spirit in which they are replayed does not paint the host taking such glee in them in a good light either.
ReplyDeleteThe only good thing about The Shake Joint replay of the Computer call from last night was that they were able to describe what he was saying in a couple of spots. I was listening last night on a perfectly good audio delivery system and it was completely incomprehensible.
ReplyDeleteYou guys arguing about rating sound like two guys that have a hole in their boat arguing if it is on the port or starboard side verse understanding that there is a hole in the boat.
ReplyDeleteI think that the Ticket management is acting a lot like the Cowboys. Jerry knows he needs to do something but Garret is his guy so no action, the same with the Ticket. The owners of both the Cowboys and the Ticket need to fire the General Managers and bring in a football/radio guy.
The day the ticket gets a “football/radio guy” is the day I stop listening.
DeleteI can get a recap of last nights game on Mike and Mike but I don’t care about that I watched the game.
I think about Bob’s son and the adoption process once a week. I’m interested in Mikes trip with his daughter, with Norm and Mary’s travels, and Justin’s struggles with handicap restroom stalls.
If two guys are arguing over where a leak is, then by definition they are aware a leak exists. It's also not unreasonable to think that they intend on fixing the leak. Else why would they care to discuss it? Basic critical thinking, chief.
ReplyDelete@ anon 6:54 pm....so let me let this straight, somebody here commenting on this blog has the ability to make changes at the ticket?
ReplyDeleteYeah, some people aren't really paying close attention to the thread and what's being discussed. But that's OK. As long as it's not too ad hominem.
ReplyDeleteSaw a great quote today:
ReplyDelete"To accuse someone of 'virtue signaling' is to commit that offense yourself, just to a different audience."
I hate to be the one who moves us past the 69 (nice!) comment mark, but did anyone else hear that Jake was late to BaD because he was in a prolonged meeting with Cumulus execs (I assume Cat was involved)? Prolly means nothing, but maybe not. We are, after all, at the end of the business year and if there was going to be a change in the new year wouldn't this be the time when everything is finalized/put into place? Food for thought, methinks.
ReplyDelete@Corby's empty bag: While I'm not the person you were addressing (11/29 654pm), your riposte was a both a non sequitur to 654's comment and a rather silly misunderstanding of why any site like this exists. I'm an MTC early adopter and I've (no, no, never) never read one comment or Pman post that even hinted at believing anything said here affected change at The Ticket. This blog is about The Ticket and its proprietor kindly offers us P1s a forum to express our views--you know, like you did. Now I'm sure you're a great person and all that jazz, but having said that, I have to agree with 654's admonishment.
Wow. Dan's man-crush on Chevy Chase completely blinded him to the fact that it was a terrible interview.
ReplyDeleteDude, you mean effected not affected.
ReplyDeleteNo. I meant affected. Meaning, no commenter would ever be so delusional as if to think her/his comment would affect, say, Cat, as such that it would effect change.
ReplyDeleteI could've put it in better terms. So, point well taken.