I'm still thinking Corby and Danny stay where they are in the positions they now have. I don't think Danny will be elevated, if he even wants that with his other outside interests. He may not.
The thought I have is that the replacement must have sports knowledge. Must. This is where The FAN eats The Ticket's lunch. It's where The Hardline has weakened over the years in a way that there simply was almost no serious sports talk on the show except maybe when Corby would talk tennis or college football, and even then . . . .
The second thought I have is that the replacement needs to have some weight, some heft, some adult credentials to rein in Corby/Danny's more juvenile tendencies. Although, on further consideration, maybe The Ticket is looking to get younger at all positions, bring in some guys at the lower end of the demo that they seem to be losing.
So let's go through the list:
Of the current hosts, only Donovan strikes me as a potential Hardline replacement, and I don't see that working, much as I like Donovan. Just not enough razzle-dazzle, and I think Corby and Danny would be tiptoeing around him to some degree. While he and Corby do seem comfortable together and can put on a good show, that combo just doesn't spark for me.
Cat isn't going to break up BaD, and is not going to move BaD into The Hardline slot -- I don't think.
That leaves, in no particular order:
Jake: Leading coming out of the turn. Sportsy, loquacious, smart, snotty. At first I thought Jake with Corby would be too much snot for one show, but of the people at the station, he's probably tops. There's no weightier Ticket guy available except Donovan, assuming neither Bob nor Dan graduates to The Hardline. (And, if so, it would have to be Bob. Dan -- Corby would say, "Are you kidding me?" Besides, I think both Bob and Dan really like their time slot and massive intern support where they are now.)
Mike Sirois: Love Mike Sirois. Sportsy enough? A little thin-skinned sometimes, makes for some interesting radio. Cirque is frequently replaced, although he seems to be present for his producer duties with The Invasion. He doesn't suffer fools gladly and he and Corby/Danny might be a tense fit.
Sean Bass: Oddly, Sean seems to be a polarizing figure with the Confessor. I like him. Is he flavorful enough to boost The Hardline? He's been moved into a semi-management role at The Ticket, so there's some weight there, and he is sportsy. I don't recall a Sean/Corby pairing in the past but I'd like to hear it.
I don't see anyone more junior than Jake, Mike or Sean being serious candidates, as talented as some of them are. Both Justin Montemayor and David Mino have turned into accomplished hosts on the Work in Progress Sunday show, they're both very good. But with them there's the weight problem.
Ty Walker: Like him on Country Force, and he can talk baseball. He's gotten kicked in the cojones for so long by hosts -- all in fun, sure -- could he be elevated?
Dave Lane: Again, a guy I like whenever I hear him. I didn't think his +1 coat-and-tie "interview" appearance last week showcased him to good advantage. His Mike tribute was great, but overall he didn't seem to be at his best.
I like Eli Jordan quite a lot, but I just don't see him leapfrogging more tenured in-house candidates.
One possibility is to do nothing. No replacement. Leave it as the Corby/Danny show. Anyone else thinking that Corby sounds more responsible without Mike present? Danny too? Maybe I'm imagining things. The Confessor seems to think that would not be a good idea, but I wouldn't mind it.
Let me throw out a couple of longshots:
David Moore.
Mike Doocy.
They're both sportsy; they're both adults. I have no idea whether they are available or willing. I do believe that Doocy, at least, could keep his current gig and still do the afternoon show. David has to be present at Cowboy events and skulk around the locker room, so his availability is less certain. However -- what is it that is making me think that David Moore is not a young man? I went looking for his age and couldn't find it, but I think I heard somewhere that he's actually out of the demo. (David, sorry if I've misheard that somewhere.) He may be ready for a regular radio gig and broadcast paycheck. Both are familiar to Ticket listeners. Both have a sense of humor. Doocy would need to tamp down his natural inclination to deference. And again -- The Ticket may not want to replace Mike with an actual adult. No idea whether either would blend with Corby/Danny.
And I think Lee "Hacksaw" Hamilton is available.
I'm probably forgetting someone's favorite, and when you tell me who I've forgotten I'll smack my forehead and apologize.
Early versions of this post had "Steve Doocy" instead of "Mike Doocy," since corrected. Thanks to Tweeter PattonD for the correction.
ReplyDeleteDavid Newbury? Great on Cowboys pregame, great on football generally, but pretty narrow in focus and not a strong broadcast presence.
It will not be Ben.
ReplyDeleteIt will not be Skin.
It will not be HeeHoo.
I wouldn't think Fox would let Doocy take a permanent gig like that. Filling in for free promos is one thing, but full time? Hhhmmmm....
ReplyDeleteI wonder if David Moore doesn't enjoy the travel, etc. with the Cowboys stuff.
I agree that of the in-house crew, Jake is probably the favorite. And as much as I'd like to see BaD move to evening drive, I agree that they are probably too happy with their current slot.
I feel like they have to do something. I don't think the Corby/Danny solo combo can last without some major changes to themselves or a third wheel to keep them in line.
More important than all of the above, I believe this redhead is a repeat. Or maybe I've just seen her in my dreams before?
If I'm in charge, I either move Bob to drive time, or the entire BAD radio package.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the other commenter that Doocy will not be the guy.
David Moore is not a drive-time-like personality.
Yes, I agree with you that Corby is all of a sudden acting more adult these past couple of weeks. Not sure how long it will last.
If you are going to float Doocy then you must float Followill. I know he travels with the team for Basketball but there is no reason why he can't do his part during the season from the road. (It's done in other markets with PBP guys) The reason he didn't get the gig with Bob Sturm originally for middays was because he was too head strong. Head strong would be good for the Hardline. If not Mark then maybe Bob. The thought against that is you don't want to blow up two day parts (Change middays) but he would give the cred you are looking for and Jake with Dan is fairly easy to comprehend especially seeing there is history already there.
ReplyDeleteThis is something that the Ticket is going to have to tackle as other retirements are looming. At some point you have to bring in some new people... but when is something that i'm sure that Cat and Dan B. are having some major discussions out.
I don't think breaking up the BaD radio time would be a popular move. So nobody thinks Julie is ready for prime time? I'd imagine longer term employees would be resentful of that (Ty, Sean, and, especially, Jake). I don't it'd really work anyway; just an idea.
ReplyDeleteI really like Robert Wilonsky, he has a great authoritative voice, but I'm not sure his sports knowledge is up to snuff. Tim Cowlishaw does a drive time thing with Steve Dennis on ESPN (I think). Maybe look at him or Kevin Sherrington?
I feel bad for Donovan because he deserves a shot, but the last time I heard him with Danny and Corby, he got buried just like Rhyner used to.
Jake to 3-7 host
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I apologize for not doing my research ahead of time regarding his current employment status, but I rather enjoyed Gen-X Davy Lane's seat warming last week. Could he be considered for permanent-cy?
ReplyDeleteBesides that, BaD radio might be ready for prime-time. I get to listen all day, every day and have believed for quite a while that they are good enough to deserve a shot at drive-time. I know they have a loyal, maybe "niche," following that may or may not transfer/translate to a different time slot.
Jake is high on my "not favorite" list. He always comes across as condescending and frat-boy d-bag-ish.
This morning Gordon made a passing reference to Ticketstock. Not specifically TS 2020, just TS in general. But that begs the question - isn't it about time for the Ticketstock promos?
ReplyDelete1) Did they decide after the 25th anniversary that it was no longer financially viable?
2) Are they quickly retooling to make TS 2020 a celebration of Mike Rhyner?
Jake, Corby, and Danny is not a good mix due to demographics and that it would suck.
ReplyDeleteThey just ran a promo for today's HL saying it will be "Corby and someone you don't know." Leads me to believe that whatever/whoever eventually and permanently constitutes the pm drive slot, it won't be a Corby/Danny pairing and it'll still be called THL.
ReplyDeleteBTW, if you take a close look at Rhyner's Easter egg return music from 12/10-especially if you look up the lyrical content-you'll find a connecting theme that speaks of break up, unresolved issues and feelings, regret, and uncertainty. None of these songs' lyrics pertain to fond memories, sweet farewells, "time of my life" sentiments. And because he went out of his way to drip the hints and handpicked the tunes----just saying.
Some very interesting thoughts here, thanks.
ReplyDeleteFollowill should have been on my list. What's his Niffle and MLB knowledge?
I'd vote for Justin Montemayor to get the next producer slot if Jake moves to The Hardline. Although BaD would have considerable influence on that decision if it's their show, I just do not see Cat letting TC return -- again.
Still think BaD won't be moved (but see below), and the 3-7 Hardline brand will be kept.
Julie: like her, but no.
Tough decision -- it would have to be someone who wouldn't let Corby/Danny walk all over them, who knows multiple sports or would do the work to keep up on them, who wouldn't cause revolution at The Ticket. While at first I didn't think Cat would pair another sometimes-snottyboy with Corby, Jake is really the only candidate at the station. And he's not nearly as snotty and condescending and dismissive of the views of others as he used to be -- grown up a lot, buffed up his pro game, in the last year or so.
Do we think that the winning candidate will have had a +1 tryout? Or might Cat just spring it on us?
And you know . . . the more I think about it, the more I think that moving BaD is not completely out of the question as long as Bob's other commitments wouldn't interfere. If that would move The Hardline to 12-3 -- if -- it would take a lot of pressure off the decision on who to put in Mike's seat. Right now, my betting line is still that BaD won't move.
Current wildass guess: Either Jake or an outsider.
Red: I don't think she's a repeat. I try to be careful about that, but I've put up a lot of reds over the past few years, so it's always a possibility. Just consider it an archival post.
ReplyDeleteAnother reason to promote Jake -- the guy is plainly star material one way or the other. If he doesn't get the rare open slot, he's a prime candidate to get loose in the socket and head elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteI know there are Confessors who don't like the guy, but he's very smart and already an accomplished broadcaster, and he's got the voice and the youth and the look. Ticket listeners and CTO aren't the only people who can perceive this, and if he's not moved up his phone will start ringing if it hasn't already. TV might beckon as well.
Many interesting thoughts on both Mike's departure and the future of not just The Hardline but also the station as a whole on these last two threads.
ReplyDeleteMy take on Mike is that he is almost 70, set financially, and saw the proverbial writing on the wall where the station and the industry are headed and understood that a guy with his skill set and his "eyeball"-gut feeling view of sports is a dying breed soon to be extinct in this data driven world of sports we now inhabit. As a result he made the move. Past that, for me at least, there's really nothing left to know, much less discuss. The man's gone and he's not coming back.
As I'm writing this, Jake is being introduced as today's cohost. Unless they are either looking outside the station or are in negotiations with someone else, I think it's apparent that Jake will step into Mike's spot. I go back and forth on whether I like the pairing and will it be successful. To the former, it's going to take many many more listens to make a decision; to the latter, I believe the pairing will perhaps have a short, dead cat bounce ratings spike and then fairly quickly return to what has become the status quo, finally succumbing to GBaG for good. The one thing I fear about the pairing is that instead of Jake pushing Corby to be better prepared and a bit more sportsy, he'll fall right into line with the Corby and Danny Show. If that happens, thing's will get ugly sooner rather than later.
I understand the hand-wringing over a Corby-led Hardline.
ReplyDeleteBut I think this: These guys aren't dumb.
They know, because Cat and probably uber-Cats have told them, that if Nielsen is to be believed people aren't tuning in like they used to, and standing pat was not an option -- changes are necessary. Mike may not have liked that message, but Corby really does not have that luxury. Corby may be a goodtime fratter, but he didn't get where he is by being lazy -- he's capable of good, prepared, semi-adult broadcasting. We've all heard it and remarked on it in these pages -- if not on the Mike-led Hardline in recent years.
For his part, Jake isn't going to allow any show to display the lassitude that characterized The Hardline the last few years, and he's going to do what the CTO says needs to be done. This is his shot and he's going to bust his toches to make it a success.
And if anyone won't fear barking at Corby for nonsense, it's Jake.
So if it does turn out to be Jake, give it a fair shot. I think you might be pleasantly surprised at how listenable Corby can be, and you'll be engaged by Jake's sports talk. (I think Corby's listenable (enough) now, but I henceforth I'm predicting you'll increasingly hear him in good-Corby mode. We're hearing some of it already.)
Danny will likely have fewer syllables because Jake will be much more vocal than Mike was in recent years, and he'll just produce the bejeebers outta the thing.
In summary -- I'll be tuning in if it's Jake.
And, as noted, I vote Justin for BaD producer.
I hear what you're saying, Plainsman. I agree that that pairing will be just fine. Indeed, pretty much whatever Cat decided to go with will be fine. Keeping the name and theme and named segments too will be fine. It'll all be just fine. That's the issue: it'll be fine. That is, OK. Decent to a bit above average sports/guy talk. In other words there will be nothing special about it. Nothing to differentiate it from GBAG or DaC or from any other show anywhere else for that matter. Many will claim that THL hasn't been special in years. Since October of '07, really. Maybe so. Probably, in fact. But there were times when Mike became engaged and THL became must hear, I'm not leaving my car until this segment's over radio. Used to be that way everyday. I think this is what's killing a lot of us P1s from pre '07. We want the magic back. Or at least a bit of it from time to time. With Mike's departure, the intangible thing that makes for radio magic is gone. So too is any Varsity host truly knowing much less caring about The Great Game.
ReplyDeleteI'm right now listening to what we're supposed to call THL. I can flip over to The FAN and pretty much hear the same show. And that in a nutshell is the problem. Perhaps an inevitable problem.
I'm listening to Hardline right now. Painfully uninteresting! Hoping quick hits discusses Bill's (from Bills Records) death. Not too crazy about Corby and Jake.
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ReplyDeleteI left the area a few years back but saw the Mike news on google so I’ve streamed The Ticket the past few days. I guess the thing that stands out for me is that where I live now there the stations are more caller driven and the interaction between the host(s) and the callers is really interesting - it’s great having both sides call BS on each other. When you aren’t being challenged by callers you can get away with limited sports knowledge or being perpetually on the wrong side of the facts, you are just a talking head at that point. I think that is what THL became, a couple of out of touch talking heads with no one challenging them. When I streamed this week and late last week nothing kept my interest and that is a show I listened to everyday for a decade.
ReplyDeleteThey're still playing the WOMM theme and calling it WOMM? I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Is Cat and co that lazy? Move on. I understand if Mike's supposedly sudden Irish departure (I have my doubts) left Cat and Dan Bennett in the lurch and they haven't figured out a permanent solution. But a week + later the WOMM theme and name still exists? Move. On. Mike sure did.
ReplyDeleteI knew ol Plains would throw Surly and me in MTC timeout! Surly, look, I know you're a fan of Jake: I see you pining for him and Corby as a tandem. I personally have grown tired of him (was originally a fan), he's one of the reasons I've cut back on Bad. As for Corby, I've been listening more lately (out of curiosity) and actually enjoyed some of Corby and Donavan.
ReplyDeleteI think we are listening to what going forward will be THL. This is the same path Cat and Dan B took when HeeHoo was canned. Did a bit of plus ones both in-house and otherwise and finally settled with leaving things as is, not adding a new cohost. This time around, Corby is Mike and Danny is Corby (Mike, irony of all ironies, is HeeHoo). The only shuffling of the deck will take place with the JV in order to fill out the vacant puhdoocah dis show position that Danny held. You want to talk about some potential hard feelings and back-biting, just wait until those cards fall into place!
ReplyDeleteUpshot is we're listening to THL right now (sorry Jake supporters), the name will remain, the segments will remain, the theme song and segment theme songs will remain, and all that jazz. For those of you who don't like inconsistently woke Corby and Danny and half assed sports takes, well fella, your SOL. Welcome to THL 3.0!
Yeah, 439, we've mentioned that possibility for the same reasons you mention -- following the HeeHoo Departure Model.
ReplyDeleteAnd it worked, back then.
It could work here now, because as we have observed, Mike has kind of been not much more than ornamental on his "own" show for quite some time now. There won't be much difference if he's not there, other than that he won't be there to be bullied.
But there's one difference that I think tip the odds in favor of a new co-host: The New Ratings Uncertainty.
I just don't see the CTO standing pat on PM drive. They need a strong additional sports voice on that show to compete with G-Bag, and signs continue to point to Jake or an outsider, and I still think it's Jake.
And that would be jake with me. (http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/jake-with-me)
I think they may try and snag a part of G-bag Nation and bring over Mike Bacsik. He has a strong personality and I think that he would pair well with several different hosts.
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ReplyDeleteI doubt that will happen. Bacsik started at the Ticket and burned a bridge while standing on it drunk texting some insensitive racial comments during a baseball game.
And Judge Junior does not like Bacsik.
ReplyDeleteCorby + Bacsik would be tocsik.
Anybody notice that as of late Corby and Danny have laid off using THL for their political rants and social issues? And portraying opposition as ignorant morons? Wonder why?
ReplyDeleteI will speculate, based on nothing but what makes sense to me, that Jake would have been gone years ago had he not received assurances that he was next man up. That means he's taking Mike Rhyner's spot.
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ReplyDeleteIf Jake is going to take Rhyner's spot, why hasn't he? Are they waiting for a particular time in the ratings sweep to make the move or what?
ReplyDeletePersonally, I am slightly amused to hear grumpy, "everything sucks" Danny now being upbeat sports guy talk host. It's an interesting flip of the switch, but it sounds and feels fake. I listened to a bit of The Hardline yesterday and it's just lacking. Something needs to be done. Mike was picked on and had taken a back seat on the show, but his mere presence as a Texas Radio Hall of Famer gave the show some clout it no longer has.
It's funny how wrong 439 is gonna be on everything they said. There is no chance the show keeps the Hardline name and less than zero chance the show goes forward with only Corby and Danny.
ReplyDeleteIt seems Cumulus is/was required to post the job opening (EEOC reasons? I have no idea). So that may be why a replacement can't be officially announced yet.
There's also the matter of contracts and negotiations
ReplyDeleteAs to why Jake (or anyone else) hasn't been named yet, see my prior post re "some things to remember." This job almost certainly has to be posted per Cumulus rules, and all applicants have to be considered, and all applicants have to get, or be perceived to have gotten, a fair shot.
ReplyDeleteAnd yep, different job descriptions get different pay, so Surly raises a valid point.
I am a 100% fan of each and every Muser and 99% of each and every Muser minute, but if anything kills that show it will be Gordon's sex-and-gender talk.
ReplyDeleteAnd if anything kills sports radio in its entirety, it will be Hall of Fame/Ring of Honor talk -- every sport, every level.
Back to ratings for a moment. Does anyone know the geographic area that goes into the rating book? I was in Tyler yesterday and the 105.3 signal was stronger there than it is in Grayson county. The 1310 signal was just static and there is a Spanish station on 96.7 that we hear in D/FW on weather-induced skip. It was rather shocking to hear the number of Dallas FM stations that carried that far east. KXT, KZPS, 99.5, 105.3 and a few others.
ReplyDeleteSurly, are you capable of making a comment without engaging in either some form of ad hominem or schadenfreude? It's rather pathetic.
ReplyDeletePlainsman, you mentioned this very briefly, but it's been hugely evident to me as I've listened since Mike's echoing bootwalk.
ReplyDeleteCorby is a thousand times more prepared than he's been the last several years. When he actually preps, he's good. When he preps during the preceding commercial break, he's maddening. Danny, likewise, when he takes it seriously (as has been evident of late) he's more sportsmart than given credit for.
I do think it's Jake. I do think if it's not, Jake's a major market host somewhere, and soon. I do think Jake can keep Corby and Danny honest because he clearly preps and clearly has the sports intellect they lack. It's also smart marketing. The older demo doesn't want change. But if they being in a Spicy/Moore/Random Boomer that thing has no legs.
How "Doocy" autocorrected to "Spicy" is bizarre, beautiful, and hilarious.
DeleteGordon's sex and gender talk IS tiring but so is his paranoia rants about AI. UGH!
ReplyDeleteIt's going to be Corby and Danny, and the show will remain The Hardline -replete with theme and all. Yes there will be a few superficial changes, but what you're hearing is It.
ReplyDeleteAs a couple of you have pointed out, attitudes and approaches have demonstrably changed over the past nearly two weeks. That's not a coincidence. This is real. This is happening. The reason it hasn't been made official is for the very reasons some of you have stated (legalities).
As regards Jake: Jake is a talent. I for one enjoy his work. However, he is not a unicorn whose talent so far exceeds all those around him that he must either be made a host or will be snatched up by a competitor the moment he's not given the spot. Put him into proper perspective. Yes Jake is knowledgeable, carries an air of authority, has a good radio voice, and adapts well to whatever situation he's in while on-air. He also sounds like pretty much every Ringer, Athletic, etc., writer who has a podcast--that is, an analytics-driven, supremely confident, and socially progressive. Nothing wrong with any of that. Neither is it unique. Moreover, if you check out other major markets, you will find many Jakes gracing the air waves. One thing that is never brought up here is the question of whether radio is his ultimate goal(?). Jake's all those above positive attributes, but also he's tall, thin, attractive, and even has his hair. Ceteris paribus, television is much more lucrative than radio. Jake was made for it. His appearances on Doocy's show evince as much.
Maybe this has been thrown out there already. If so, my apologies. I'm listenting to Jake and Bob today. The two of them sans Dan are absolutely sports compelling. I could listen to this every day from here on out. The give and take, the careful, considered arguments, and the over all knowledge on display is just fantastic. More of this, please, Cat. I would LOVE to see Jake and Bob as either noon to three or pm drive and Corby and Dan to take over the slot JaB doesn't occupy. I also think Corby and Dan would be a perfect match. Ttuly this is such a perfect solution IMHO that is won't happen. And think about this: it's not as if BaD is a ratings juggernaut. It's had its moments, but it has never dominated. THL hasn't been a ratings titan in a long while now. So it's not as if switching pairings and/or timeslots will be earth shattering.
ReplyDeleteI think Corby's prep work is a dead cat bounce. Understands he is under the gun but don't see it lasting.
ReplyDeleteSirois was on THL announcing, with good humor, that he didn't get the job. All signs point to Jake. Perhaps to be announced tomorrow by Musers.
ReplyDeleteWhy would The Musers announce that? The announcement pertains to Ticketstock.
ReplyDeleteAnd exactly what are these signs that point to Jake other than pure speculation and wishful thinking? Not just by you, David, but by damn near everyone on this blog.
ReplyDeleteMusers would announce it so that it can be fodder for conversation all day long, on every show.
ReplyDeleteIt may just be a Ticketstock announcement, though.
I guess we'll know soon enough.
Anonymous, Jake is by far the most talented second-tier guy on the station. He's actually better than some of the first-tier talent (I won't name names). He's familiar, and therefore low-risk. He's a good fit for the Ticket's primary demographic. And he's had a try-out with virtually every major station personality.
ReplyDeleteOf course this is all speculation, but it's speculation backed by logic and evidence.
Jake/Corby/Danny are better than I expected. It's early, but they haven't done, "Dude, everything old sucks." yet. Again, it is early.
ReplyDeleteDavid, so too is Mike Sirois. He also has filled in for every show in some capacity. He also meets your Jake criterial. So, then, by your logic and evidence Mike S. has every bit the chance as Jake. (Your claim that Jake is by far the most talented second-tier guy on the station is purely subjective and therefore does not stand up against any sort of "logic" and so, cannot be admitted as evidence.)
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Sorry, Plainsman, none of those are signs pointing toward his hire. They aren't. They're reasons you think he ought to fill the spot, not indicators that he will.
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439, the signs are:
ReplyDelete(1) Jake is acknowledged by most to be the most accomplished technical broadcaster (talking here mostly about smooth delivery, good voice, good delivery of ad spots, that kind of thing) among the JV.
(2) Jake is sportsy across the main sports (NFL, NBA, I think he's good on MLB, nobody cares about NHL or soccer).
(3) The other candidates have obvious weaknesses (although I'm liking Sirois today) -- either broadcast skills, tenure, not sportsy, etc.
(4) By "other candidates" I mean "other Ticket guys." I think the signs are also pointing to it not being an outsider.
(5) Leaving the show as Corby + Danny wouldn't seem to be a thoughtful ratings play.
(6) Jake is good-in-fact. No one will be everyone's cup of tea, but he's smart, he's, eloquent, he holds his own with every other host, he's reliable, he's prepared, and he doesn't party his brains out.
546, you might be on the wrong site. Nobody has any inside info here. If your question is "what is for sure going to happen and why do we know it?" as you seem to be suggesting, it's pointless. Nobody knows, and so no "indicators." If your question is "why is everyone assuming Jake's likely?" -- well, for those reasons.
ReplyDeleteAnd some of the people who think Jake might get it don't want that to happen, but they could make a list much like mine.
Nullum sensum facit quod quaeris.
But thank you for shopping at My Ticket Confession.
(PS: My list came after your 546 remark because I fixed a couple of typos after the original post.)
Anonymous, it's also my "purely subjective" opinion that the San Francisco 49ers are a better football team than the Cincinnati Bengals. You should of course feel free to disagree, but I wouldn't expect anyone to take you seriously.
ReplyDeleteNon quaeritur quaestio. Forent docui sententiam.
ReplyDeleteQED
You're aggressively misusing QED.
ReplyDeleteNescit prorsus quod ego sum facis, David.
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My Ticket Confession: Your Source for Arguments in a Classical Mode!
ReplyDeleteEnough.
MTC est omnis divisa in partes tres!
ReplyDeleteWant a good indicator that Jake is the next man up? Listen to those "All Pro Foundation Repair" ads that feature almost every one of the main hosts (though oddly, they've never included Donovan or Gordon), but, yeah, most of the heavy hitters. Who has replaced Mike Rhyner in those ads? Jake. So, they're not going to just choose a producer to do them. All Pro pays big money for the main hosts. All indications point to Jake for this reason.
ReplyDeleteFrom above, I agree that while Jake and Bob make a good sports talk team, they're a little too sports heavy in my mind. They're both too much the same in terms of how they view sports and approach discussions similarly. Both of them also write for the Athletic (I believe Bob got Jake a gig there) so that's probably a reason. No, I think BaD radio stays the same as it is. Dan might be a bit of a lightweight, but he counterbalances Bob "sports geek guy".
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ReplyDeleteThe TicketStock song for this year is going to be a beating of the highest order. I'm already sick of it.
ReplyDeleteHere's a thought...seems likely that Norm's deal is up in April. (He signed a 3-year deal in April 2014 and presumably another one in April 2017). Could be interesting...
ReplyDeleteDid he not say he wanted to work until he was 78 to celebrate either 45 or 50 years on air? One has to wonder if he is healthy enough to fullfill another three year contract.
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ReplyDeleteA company doesn't need to internally post on air, acting or singing talent internally to meet legal requirements. Not sure why you think this?? Your point on Norm contract timing is interesting though. Could be a second spot up shortly.
So why did they post the job? You really think they're taking resumes and reviewing audition tapes?
ReplyDeleteNorm will die in his chair while broadcasting.
ReplyDeleteA lot of companies post job openings internally and/or externally even if they know they are going to promote from within. Keeps them out of trouble with the EEOC.
ReplyDeleteSurly: 843 has it right.
ReplyDeleteSee my prior post. (I've long suspected no one reads the articles, they just come for the red and to leave comments.)
Cat posts the job because he has to -- it's Cumulus company policy. And while he may not be reviewing resume and audition tapes of internal candidates, he's putting on the necessary show of considering all comers in good faith, and I guarantee you each one of them is getting an interview, if not a +1 audition on the air.
Talk to 559, not me. I also said they were required to post.
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For gods sake the EEOC does NOT require most private or publicly traded companies to post positions either internally or externally. This is pure myth. If a company such as Cumulus has a policy then so be it. I can tell you definitively that most companies are not required to. You ever heard of executive recruiters filling positions with inside people having no knowledge that a job was posted or available. Surly you are wrong but Surly you know that.
ReplyDeleteMen and women, this isn't worth arguing about. Companies aren't required to post internally, but I have information that Cumulus requires it as matter of Cumulus policy. That doesn't mean they must hire internally, but they have to make the vacancy known and available for employees to seek to fill.
ReplyDeleteIt scarcely matters in this case, because everyone in the company knows of the vacancy, and the people who are interested in filling it are going to make the CTO aware of their desire. Whether there is a particular protocol for considering applicants I don't know, but the result will be the same no matter what the process: after the CTO mind their Ps and Qs they'll hire who they think will pull The Hardline out of its doldrums.
Surly,
ReplyDeleteDoes EEOC require ABC to post internally Chris Harrison's host position if he were to leave The Bachelor? The answer is no in case you didn't know. Cumulus is not required by law to internally or externally post a Hardline opening. IF they choose to do so they are doing it as a matter of corporate policy not EEOC.
"It seems Cumulus is/was required to post the job opening (EEOC reasons? I have no idea)"
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Sounds like screaming idiot Smith is leaving his radio gig. That's going to leave an opening at 103.3 espn.
ReplyDeleteIt's already been replaced with "First Take, Your Take" with Jason Fitz
ReplyDeleteHow about the FCC?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/eeo-rules-and-policies-radio-and-broadcast-and-non-broadcast-tv
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ReplyDeleteYou missed the first bullet:
Widely distribute information concerning each full-time (30 hours or more) job vacancy, except for vacancies that need to be filled in demanding or special circumstances.
Special circumstances covers on air talent. I am done beating this to death. A movie studio, radio station, television network is NOT required by any element of the law to internally OR externally post for these "talent" positions.
Surly can't stop his ad hominem onslaught. It's understandable, considering the mess of mediocrity that is TU football and its highly overrated parent institution. Ain't that right, SurlyBevo? You bet it is.
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ReplyDeleteSo Donnie has now cohosted as many times as Jake. Does that point to Donnie taking the slot? It's gotten to the point with Norm that I honestly think he's probably going to soon retire. He might be given the "choice" to "retire" by Cumulus. I can see Jake and Sirois or someone else taking over ten to noon and Donnie moved to THL. That way Jake has sort of a proving ground vis-a-vis being a main host doing it on a daily basis, him being the focus of attention and whatnot. Also rewards Donnie for all his hard work. Not too mention that it places a minority in a pm drive host position, which is a good thing.
ReplyDeleteAm I wrong here, guys? Guys? Uh, guys?
Donnie was strong today. I thought he, Corby, and Danny had great chemistry and balanced out each other.
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ReplyDeleteThese major sports radio jobs are posted. STAA Talent compiles all of them and many of those who subscribe to their service obtain these gigs. Granted, some are internal hires, like at Boston's The Sports Hub, but some are not. Hell, Sturm and McDowell weren't internal candidates, so why not extend the talent pool especially when podcasting has been a thing The Ticket avoids to participate in?
That said, I'd rather read Latin here on MTC than to have TC back on The Ticket in a host role.
https://staatalent.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=1293c926bdbb2be79d9bd3a68d4dd47c
Mike was great on Ben and Skin's podcast thingy. I remember hearing him on TC's podcast a few years back, and I thought then that he sounded really entertaining when he didn't have to lead the conversation, and that definitely came through again. He is an amazing storyteller.
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ReplyDeleteI agree. Well worth the listen.
http://thenoncompete.libsyn.com/the-mike-rhyner-interview?fbclid=IwAR0xaJr3I5LIgn--nUimiGw0ttETsvg9OgvVGLe2-kMYxRR3O8RNYhMEEfs
Gagreed, the B&S interview is gold. There's a lot between the lines throughout. Especially the five or so minutes discussing Mike's leaving The Ticket. And that's how it was presented by both Mike and B&S. The word retired was never uttered.
ReplyDeleteWhether or not Cumulus posts on a job talent site is beyond the point that they are absolutely not required to by law. I am not getting off this point. Many jobs in companies across the country are filled by executive recruiters without ever being posted. Anyone on here who is saying otherwise can suck Bernandino Montoya
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong: Love Work in Progress on Sunday mornings, good show today.
ReplyDeleteBut today's show, with the distinctive voice of Justin Montemayor absent, illustrates the dangers of having a show with several voices that all sound pretty much alike. I've come to recognize David Mino's distinctive cadences, but the rest -- no idea who's talking, or how many. I'm not entirely sure how many different people we're hearing today, but seems like 4 or 5, and they all sound the same.
Did I hear the name Michael Krenek, or was that a bit in connection with a shaky
Ticker?
That was Mino saying he was Michael Krenek after he did a ticker. There's just four there today: Cray Trey, Chris T., Ryan Medellin, and Mino. WiP is definitely lacking without Justin Montemayor.
ReplyDeleteAgree, Euronymous. But I do think Mino has turned into a pretty credible "host presence" since WiP debuted.
ReplyDeleteI listened to the Ben and Skin pod, as well as the San Diego interview. And while I know why Mike moved on doesn't seem to move the needle much around here anymore, after having heard these interviews, I think the discussion is still important.
ReplyDeleteThe feeling I came away with was one of Mike got out while the getting was good. Meaning, he wanted to leave on his own terms, while still being able to claim his life's work, his creation, is still on top. On the precipice, yes, but still seen as the standard setter. More to the point, I believe Mike either knows or has a good idea of where the station is heading. Taking that into consideration along with what now appears to be a genuine ratings shift on all fronts, he'll turn 70 this year, and that he's financially set, and his "symmetrical" sensibilities, it makes sense that the end of the '10s decade would be his last.
I say the discussion is important because it seems to me that his departure signals a coming sea change at The Ticket. I think we've seen glimpses of it over the past six months and in the coming year I bet more drastic changes are in the offing. I believe across the board we will begin to hear more sports talk and less guy talk. I also think that in conjunction with this Gordon's role will be somewhat diminished. To the point that it will not surprise me one bit if '20 is his last year (not fired, but that he decides to move on, a la Mike). Anyone paying close attention surely has noticed that over the past few months Dan has gotten much more sportsy. The same can be said for Danny (this trend started well before Mike's leaving). There too has been less music and hosts' own ban talk since about October. And that's why for my money I say Jake will take over for Mike. Oh, and other than the 1:30 News, Jake's sportsier than ever, which is saying something.
Thanks, Plainsman, for hosting this site. It's the only place to go during times like these for us P1s.
I meant "host's own band talk."
ReplyDeleteNice shot, 602/605.
ReplyDeleteI think you're pretty close to the mark.
The thing about the guy talk is that, more and more, the guys that listen are younger than the hosts. Different interests, different sensibilities, and different opinions about matters cultural. Sports, on the other hand, is always current.
And you're welcome.
I've enjoyed the ride myself. Pretty cool group, ranging from grumpy Surly, for whom I have some residual fondness despite his grumpitude, to . . . well, just about everyone else. And once in awhile, the talent checks in.
I love the guy talk aspect of the ticket much more than the sports talk but you are dead on about the age of the host and how that effect relatability.
DeleteJake and TC have recently both had children, bought homes and gotten married. Those are very relatable milestones that people between 18-40 go through. I can relate.
Corby, flies to Boston to hang out backstage with the Foo Fighters then has kickass seats for the show. Oh and him and Coach Switzer are buddy’s who party together. I’m a long way from being able to relate to that.
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ReplyDeleteI think you're both correct. My line of work (coding) places me among males mostly younger than me (46). The majority range in age from 24-36. The handful that even care about sports (that's a real thing, by the way), only a handful of that handful listen to radio, much less sports talk radio. Of that handful, none of them to my knowledge listen to The Ticket. They tune into The FAN. Reason given is what you said, Plainsman. Their non sports talk is the stuff their fathers, uncles, and older brothers are interested in. The music talk is far far behind their own time. The few who've listened say the younger talent such as Jake try too hard to be like the older hosts and it turns them off. Mostly though, the main gripe is that they want to hear well informed sports talk over guy talk. They feel The FAN does it much better. For them, The Ticket is their father's, uncle's, and older brother's station. Point is, I feel The Ticket is in deeper waters than most would think, including its employees. Cumulus probably sees it, though.
I agree with you Plainsman about Mino. He's definitely become a credible host. I think what's interesting with WiP is that is definitely a more "Gen Z"/"Millennial" show due to the individuals that host it. They get sportsy, too, but also fool around and talk about what interests them. I wonder if that kind of thing would appeal to the demographic that The Ticket seems to be missing out on (as @10:34 Anonymous has pointed out).
ReplyDeleteMyself, I've never listened to "The Fan" as I cannot identify with the hosts. I mean, I could, but I just haven't tried. I might give it a shot sometime.
As to Gordon and The Musers, I really think that show will endure as it's the most popular show on the station (and if we believe the promos the most popular morning show in DFW). Gordon has a ton to do with that. However, as things continue to shift, perhaps it will not be in time. Everything changes and nothing exists in a vacuum. I'm sure The Ticket will have to reinvent itself to stay relevant at some point. Perhaps that change is already in motion.
The lack of big names for ticket stock was king of telling.
ReplyDeleteSo the all time leading rusher in the HOF and a top twenty hockey player in the world aren't big names? OK.
ReplyDeleteJust riffing here, but what if Rhyner is serving out his own non-compete and will emerge in a couple months on The Fan? He could host a Diamond Talk show and go on every day about his beloved Rangers more so than he was able to on The Ticket, especially when the team is struggling. And by leaving the Ticket prior to drydock, he was already a month into a non-compete period before his leaving became public. He may be planning the ultimate swerve in a couple months, like a “heel turn” in pro wrestling parlance.
ReplyDeleteI really think you are on to something, Just Riffing.
ReplyDeleteThink Mike could do a podcast during baseball season?
ReplyDeleteIf he does, then I'm in.
DeleteSo it looks like Ty Walker may have thrown his hat in the ring. I only heard a little bit of the show today, but it was pretty sportsy. Not sure about chemistry with Corby, though. Ty may be too nice. But I liked what I heard.
ReplyDeleteAnd I concur with comments noting that both Corby and Danny seem to have taken the show more seriously over the past couple of weeks. Really, guys and dolls, I really don't have a problem with Corby more or less running that show if he gets a strong co-host.
Telling you all, we're already listening to The Hardline. Same thing happened when Greggo left. The announcement will be made after the Super Bowl.
ReplyDeleteSo, there was a suspiciously insiderish reading post on the reddit site that said Bob is going to be the one. It was almost immediately edited to say "Go Pack Go!" instead. Like I said, the phrasing and style had an in the know vibe to it, and the ninja like editing had the feel of oh shit I shouldn't have posted that info because it'd be easy to figure out it's me by fellow employees/my boss.
ReplyDeleteI'd be fine with Bob/Corby for two reasons: (1) Bob is Greatness and could hold his own with Corby, and satisfies the (a) mature voice and (b) sports-intensity qualifications.
ReplyDeleteThe other reason is that it would put Dan with someone else, giving him the opportunity, as the senior member of the afternoon team, to step up his own game. It would sand some of the edges off of his (what sounds to me like increasing) disagreeableness, and let him shine. Dan, like Corby, always sounds better to me when he's away from BaD. He's real smart and very talented but on BaD he's too much the little brother, looking for opportunities to snipe and force "sports humor" into the conversation.
When put that way, Pman, moving Bob to pm drive and pairing Dan with, say, Jake, makes almost too much sense--for the reasons you give and more. Such a move would also ensure Jake remains at the station. And bear in mind that Corby and Bob are golfing buddies, among other points of mutual interests. Bob would force Corby to do his sports homework and both hosts' strong presence would force each other to play "equals." Something neither has done in years. (Bob with Dan, Corby with Mike--yes Mike is the Godfather, but the last few years he practiced omerta.) Lastly, the idea of plus one tryouts seems to me farcical, a smokescreen designed to stall for time while js, ts and umlauts are being dotted to put into effect the actual move(s).
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Such a move would also ensure Bob stays. Everyone, self included, keeps saying "Jake will go elsewhere/get poached if he doesn't get his deserved host position soon." Well, the host most attractive to other outlets locally and nationally is Bob. Giving him that kiss of pm drive status and salary increase (even if small in amount) would keep him in the fold. There's the Dan partnership aspect, as well, but that's for another comment.
And finally, finally, it's my genuine hope that Mike told Cat and/or Dan Bennett about his leaving long before the announcement. If not, and as cool as the Irish goodbye may be, it would be a rather shitty thing to do all around. It left things in the lurch. But. If some of the rumors are to be believed--e.g., he left with less than a good vibe over coming changes--perhaps that was his intention. I tend to think the former and that Cat already had a plan for this inevitably. Yet the latter did creep into my mind.
Question bout THL today. Danny and Corby were talking bout Fletchers Corny Dogs. Then Danny mumbled something bout one that made Fletchers “taste frozen”. Does anyone know which corn dog he was talking about?
ReplyDeleteI have heard him rave about Lakewood Landing before, and they serve corn dogs. Maybe that's the one he was talking about.
ReplyDeleteCan't be. Dingu lives at that bar.. Knows they make them fresh, in house, to order.
ReplyDeleteRight. That's what he was saying. Made Fletcher's taste frozen.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 10:19am - I know Rhyner stated that he had talks with Dan Bennett about leaving and Bennet tried to get him to change his mind but Bennett could tell that he (Rhyner) was "pretty dug in". So, the "Irish Exit" might have been a shock to some of the other hosts, but Bennet and, surely, Catlin knew well ahead of time. Now, how much of a plan to do something once he left is unknown. By what The Musers said, it wasn't much.
ReplyDeleteFinally, I absolutely cannot see a show with Bob and Corby in drive time. Bob and Dan have worked together for more than fifteen years and Bob has stated he really likes the noon time slot as it affords him time to do the other side jobs he does: write for the Athletic, do analysis for Troy during the NFL season, and whatever else. That's not say he couldn't do those things before 3, but it just seems to me he's happy where he is. He's said so. He loves his job.
I think Mike is too much of a professional to exit in any way other than the way that would be expected of any Cumulus employee. I also can't see him waiting out a non-compete to take his talents elsewhere, particularly the Ticket's rival station. Maybe a podcast, but that's a whole different deal.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure he did too. What blows my mind is that Cat and Bennett had no plans B and C in place in case of either Norm or a Musketeer retiring or a member of or BaD as a whole leaving. we're at Hump Day in what on Friday will mark three full weeks since The Departure. I understand why it took so long to sort out the Greggo mess. This, not so much. Maybe their waiting until after the Super Bowl to make an announcement? You know, let the gang as it's been constructed sans Mike for the past 13 years have one more group huzzah at Super Bowl week, then the following Monday we get a major station announcement warning for 3:00pm that will herald in whatever will be pm drive. My guess is it'll be Corby and Danny with supporting roles shifted, and hierarchical seismic activity amongst the JV as a result. I do believe the Jake to Varsity move will come after the draft, after Norm can say "50 years." My guess is Jake's already been told this.
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ReplyDeleteIf anyone's keeping score, Jake, Sirois, and Gen X Davey have all benn plus ones equal amount of times over the now nearly 3 weeks. Could point to none of them in play for the position. I really think it's either a shocker mystery guest or Danny and Corby.
ReplyDeleteWhat about Donovan
ReplyDeleteI think he's one plus one behind the rest. Bet that changes by Friday.
ReplyDeleteNot gonna be Danny and Corbles. Have it on very very good authority Dan Balls doesn't want to be a host. Happy just where he is.
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