Wednesday, September 25, 2019

Corby's Laws



On balance, this site defends Corby Davidson.  I think he’s a unique radio talent and he entertains me.  I have probably laughed out loud at his utterances more than I have at those of other hosts.   I don’t look to him (or any Ticket show or host) for highly-informed commentary on current affairs, science, philosophy, or anything that really matters much to me, or that I know much about.    

I do understand less generous opinions about the man.   Critics are not wrong about lack of preparation, exaggeration and hyperbolic descriptions, celeb-sniffing, mic-hogging (but this is entirely a result of Mike R’s and Jeff C’s permissiveness), and excessive holding-forth on matters political.  Perhaps I’ve become inured to them.  In any event, I can’t remember the last time I punched out of The Hardline.   So on balance I’m a pretty strong Corby fan; while I’d insist on some fine-tuning if I were the Catman of the Western Hemisphere, I'm not one of those calling for the ‘Line’s ouster from PM drive.

But  .  .  .  (you knew it was coming):

Corby was on a major rant on the show last week that I’ll describe below, one of those that needed to be about 2/5 as long as it was, and much reduced in vehemence.  Nothing upsetting, not a life-and-death topic.  But as he went on, I formulated a set of rules for  listening to Corby’s extended oral essays, which I call:

Corby’s Three Laws of Inverse Certitude:

First Law:  The more certain Corby purports to be, the more likely he is to be wrong.

Second Law:  The more vehemently Corby expresses his insistence that there is no room for dispute or discussion, the greater the magnitude of his error is likely to be.

Third Law:  The likelihood of error in any rant ending with Corby saying “period, end of story” approaches 100%.

All right, so now I’m being hyperbolic, jes' having a li'l fun here.  Corby isn’t always wrong in his impromptu declamatory lectures.

But this one  .  .  . 

Corby was commenting on the Sports Illustrated story about what happened with Michael Vick’s fighting dogs.  It’s a great story.  The dogs – most, but not all, were pit bulls or near-pit bulls -- were evaluated, and all but three were deemed “re-educable.”   They’re in the process of being treated and placed.  The process is a long one, and the treatment intense.   The new owners themselves appear to be concentrated on the special needs of these dogs.  To date – no maulings.  Not all the dogs are out of the woods yet, but it is a very encouraging tale.

Corby’s conclusion:  Dogs, irrespective of breed, are never inherently problem animals.   Viciousness or aggression in dogs is always the result of bad owners.   Never the breed; always the owner.  He was that black-and-white about it and said it several different ways.  Period, end of story.

Now let me say two things here:  (1) I am not about to claim that the inclination of a dog’s owner, or the dog’s training, has no effect on its tendency toward viciousness.  (2) I am not about to claim that all or even most pit bulls are vicious.

I will point out, however, that studies unanimously show that the pit bull is involved in a hugely disproportionate percentage of bites and fatalities in the U.S.   An organization devoted to dog-bite awareness collected the statistics from 2005 to 2017.  Pit bulls, which account for about 6.5% of dogs, were responsible for 66% of all fatalities.   Another study for the period 1982 to 2012 reports that the molosser breeds (pit bulls, Rottweilers, mastiffs, and some less common breeds) were responsible for 79% of the attacks that result in bodily harm and 77% of those that result in maiming – well more than half accounted for by pit bulls in each case.   A 2000 study by the Centers for Disease Control examining a 20-year period reported very similar numbers.

These numbers alone do not prove inherent viciousness.   Certainly the size and strength of these dogs – and their tenacity and imperviousness to pain once they begin an attack – means their attacks are likely to be far more dangerous than those of a much smaller dog, which would tend to inflate reports of their predations and the seriousness of the attacks.

But these statistics call into serious question -- all but refute -- the assertion that pit bulls do not pose a problem that is not accounted for in all cases by abusive owners (Corby’s position).   They almost certainly do.   Pit bulls are not the only dogs reported to have attacked humans without provocation and with no history of vicious behavior, but the numbers are hard to explain away – surely “bad” or neglectful owners are not gigantically overrepresented among the owners of molosser breeds.  Even scholars who are friends of the pit bull say that the dog’s upbringing requires particular care in socialization.   Numerous courts of appeal have affirmed the inherent dangers associated with the breed.

And, frankly, think about it:   You’ve seen it yourself -- herding breeds will engage in herding behavior whether an owner trains them to herd or not.  A variety bred to kill will be more inclined to violence than one bred to race.   Corby's position is:  It's always nurture, it's never nature.   Oh?  Ever known a rotten kid with great parents? 
 
Let's not forget that Corby has done great work for the Good Puppy Dog for Dallas DogRRR for which he deserves our gratitude.  He may believe he’s helping the cause of the pit bull by absolving them of all inbred vices.   I know some great people who are friends of the “pitty,” and the breed has probably received some bad press it does not deserve.   But to claim that attacking pit bulls are always the result of bad owners is unhelpful.   When it comes to unprovoked, serious assaults on humans, molossers are a problem disproportionate to their numbers, and pit bulls lead the pack.

Period, end of article.


71 comments:

  1. Great points on the pit Mr. Confessor. I was banging my dashboard during the segment also. So many cases of Pits turning on their owners or their owners kids no matter how they were raised. To claim it's never the breed (Corby's exact words) was beyond hyperbole and borders on irresponsible.

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  2. I didn't hear it because I simply don't listen to much Hardline these days, but you are 100% correct on your 3 laws Plains!

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  3. Sounds like Corby is as big of dog expert as he is music!

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  4. I heard that same segment, and was just shaking my head when those statements were made.

    Great evaluation on the 3 laws, P-Man. As I read through them they seemed to hit the nail on the head.

    I was the one that posted the info on the REL statue going to Blackjack's Crossing on the last thread. To give credit where credit is due, I can't recall hearing the BJC/Lajitas commercial at all this week. Maybe he is being consistent in this case and had it pulled or something. If so, good for him.

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  5. I'm sorry, but I've been listening to Screamin' idiot Smith blasting Jerry Jones and how HORRIBLE all the cowboy fans are for not immediately paying Dak! First Screaming idiot, everyone loves and respects Dak; second, Jerry has already made mistake of knee-jerk and over paying one quarterback. Fact...things have been a little shaky up till now. Thirdly, Dak is not the type of person to sit out till Jerry bows to an ultimatum.

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  6. I don't see how guys like Smith and Bayless keep getting gigs.

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  7. Oh, man. That goddam Felger & Massarotti, edging out our Musers for the Marconi major market personalities of the year. The fix was in.

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  8. I has always amazed me that people do not understand the impact of thousands of generations breeding in animals. Pit Pulls were breed for aggression for hundreds of years that does not simply vanish anymore than a cattle dogs instincts to herd do. Further the animals purchased to be fighting animals are likely still from genetic lines that have continued to be breed for aggression.

    I don't believe that Pit Bulls should be outlawed or the like but I do believe care and realistic assessments of the breeds temperament need to be exercised.

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  9. @ anon 3:10...no man. Corby's an expert on everything!! Just ask him!

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  10. Did Jesse Holley quit or get fired? I'm really missing him on pre and post games. I'd rather listen to Jesse than Mickey any day!

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  11. Jesse Holley has never worked on the Ticket pre- or postgame shows. I think you must have been tuned to the wrong station.

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  12. Did you hear Hitzges v Sirois on the Red Sox/Rangers Mike Minor 200-strikeout imbroglio? Got somewhat heated.

    Advantage Sirois.

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  13. Scurvy, don't you have a "Save the Dandelions" convention to attend? Lolol!!!!*

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  14. Surlz, he was on 105.3 the Fan. It was probably the best pre and post games show. Also, you may want to check out 103.3' espn's Football firing-line today at 5pm. Those are pretty much the only stations to listen, other than Musers and Top 10.

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  15. ...so..eh...was he fired or quit, or maybe just suspended...anybody know?

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  16. P-twizzle, I didn't get to hear it. Who had what argument? Did hear the Red Sox radio broadcast and apparently Josh Lewin works for them now. He seemed to call out the red shoes.

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  17. Controversy related to whether Red Sox were swinging at first pitches late in the game to get junk grounders/popups (or hits) to deprive Mike Minor of a 200-strikeout season. (A Rangers player had deliberately let a pop foul drop to keep an inning going earlier in the game.) The conventional wisdom, and Chris Woodward, and pretty much everyone, said "yes, that's what the Red Sox were doing." Norm said that was nonsense, players never, ever go out on a field to try to fail. Sirois backed the conventional wisdom. It got snarky.

    I believe he eventually got the 200 on a called third strike on a Sox that was out of the strike zone. Ump must have decided to apply a corrective.

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  18. BaD replayed some of the Hitzges v Sirois audio in their show and annotated it with their own comments.

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  19. The Ticket cut off Jason Garrett's presser yesterday just as it had the week before. Not that there is the slightest value to his remarks to begin with, but what's the point of running it at all if you're going to whack it off halfway through without explanation?

    My suspicion is that they have to play ads, but I don't know. It seems like a pretty low-rent move: "We're running this thing because we're a sports station and we have to do it, kinda, but it's useless broadcasting and we'll bust in after 10 minutes and play some ads instead."

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  20. IMO, they don't want to risk not being live if there is a Budd Dwyer moment. Sorta kidding but not really.

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  21. The have a Cowboys-Saints recap promo running, and Corby says (paraphrasing), "I hate to say it, but the Cowboys looked like they knew what was coming on every play, and they couldn't stop them." 12 points? Four field goals. Feels like they stopped them... Here's hoping Corby misspoke (it's possible I misheard, but I've heard it three or four times now).

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  22. David Dodenhoff:
    Not to defend Corby but some context is in order here - he was referring to NO ability to chew up large amounts of the clock by converting 3rd downs on running plays when the Cowboys knew Kamara was going to get the ball. Although the Cowboys tightened up in red zone they couldn't seem to stop 7 and 9 minute clock eating drives even if they only ended up in FGs. They basically kept Dallas potent O off the field. That was the context Corby was speaking to when he was on the post game show late Sunday night. He was actually quite good and brought some levity to the proceedings. This is coming from one of the anti-pit bull guys who complained on here about Corby's stupid and idiotic "never the breed" rant. I like to be fair and balanced.

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  23. As soon as I heard Corby's voice on post game, I changed stations.

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  24. Listening to these two idiots (Danny and Corby) talk about this verdict is laughable. Murder is when you intentionally kill someone. The correct verdict should have been manslaughter with a 15 year sentence with parole eligibility in 5. All this verdict does is cause police to be more reluctant and less interest in pursuing that sort of career...and we're already short handed.

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    1. You need to read the elements of "murder" in Texas. It is called second degree murder in other jurisdictions. The verdict was appropriate in my view based on the elements.

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  25. Listening to the "snake" talk with Corby and Danny discussing the snake that Corby's dogs killed in the side yard. Comments like "get them outside and they become a dog again"; another, "like the guy in the Mayhem commercial, something about 1,000 years of blood". Several other comments about "dogs will be dogs".

    Hold on Corby, I thought you said, and this missive by P-man assures of this, it is the OWNERS and how the OWNERS raised the DOG! So you must not have actively taught your dogs not to mess with snakes.

    SMDH. This missive by P-man hits the nail on the f'n head.

    ET P1

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  26. Anon 6:09

    While all are allowed their own opinion, IMO the jury got it right. AG created the situation and had many other options were available to her.

    I have been the victim of two burglaries in my close to 6 decade life. When I got home to see the first experience I did a walk-thru before calling the cops. They basically told me this was one of the dumbest things I had ever done. At the second one I backed away and called the cops while waiting in my car.

    I have heard this advice many times afterwards. Maybe AG should have taken some of the advice the cops regularly give on how to react to a burglary. If I was on the jury I would recommend a sentence of one year for every year Botham Jean was alive, which I believe he was 26 years old.

    ET P1

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  27. @ East Texas p1...I respect your opinion, btw, I'm anon 6:09...but the bottom line is, "murder" is when you "intentionally" kill someone. That was not case here. She was "guilty", but of manslaughter...not murder.

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  28. Amber Guyger literally said under oath she intended to kill Botham Jean

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  29. What ET P1 and Surly said.

    The definition in the Texas Penal Code says a person commits the offense of murder if he or she: (1) intentional or knowingly causes the death of an individual, or (2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual.

    I didn’t hear all the evidence, but the very diverse jury did. They found that the evidence established murder beyond a reasonable doubt and I predict the jury’s verdict will be upheld on appeal; let me know if anyone wants to make a bet, I would give very favorable odds.

    It was fun to hear Gordon on BaD today.

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  30. If Surly knows what he's talking about, and that's very doubtful, but if she said that she "intended to kill him" then what you're saying does not apply in this case. Yes, she intended to kill, or stop him at any cost, because at this point, she feels her life is being threatened and is acting in self-defense. The very fact that she was honest enough to make that statement actually lends more to her credibility. I agree with the verdict of 15 with eligibility of parole in 5-7. You're sending the message of quite a few years, but with a measure of some compassion. But for that to happen, you have to be dealing with an intelligent group of people, unfortunately that's not the case here, and that certainly includes Amber Guyger. I hope she does get something fair, but not gonna hold my breath. Dallas is run by a pack of idiots, and this was definitely a "we gonna gets us a cop and a whitey at the same time" scenario.

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  31. "cop and a whitey at the same time"!

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  32. @339am

    You bared your ass at the end there, chief.

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  33. The self-defense defense doesn't fly either. In order to be considered self-defense, it has to be NECESSARY AND IMMEDIATE to use deadly force, and you have to have NO OTHER OPTION but to use deadly force. Amber Guyger testified that she was OUTSIDE OF THE DOORWAY with the intent to kill BEFORE ENTERING the apartment, and she had multiple options available to her before she entered the apartment. (Retreat down the hallway, call for backup, etc)

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  34. Oh and also the threat has to be a threat that would cause deadly harm to you. Amber Guyger never testified that she believed that Botham Jean had a weapon or posed any immediate threat other than he made a motion towards her.

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  35. Enough on this topic, unless someone wants to comment on The Ticket's coverage of the verdict.

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  36. Didn't hear the whole thing, but listened to some of BaD's review of the "Moron Dog" clip with George and Gordon present. During the portion where they stopped/started the recording to comment, I thought I detected a moment or two of real-time tension between Dan and Gordon.

    Anyone?

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  37. Naw...didn't hear any tantamount to tension.

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  38. Yes, Dan was absolutely trying to push Gordon's buttons. He did the exact same thing the previous day when Gordon joined BaD Radio's opening segment.

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  39. Gordo has devoted a lot of time discussing the Guyger trial, which makes perfect sense. But these last two days (Wed-Thur), he has really shined during the 7:15 and 7:35 segments. The discussions led by Gordo, with input from Craig and Jubs, have been excellent. Times like this, when he presents thoughtful, balanced, reasonable reactions to polarizing events, is when Gordo shines brightest.

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  40. Curious while wondering if seabass bites his lip while the musers s all over the red shoes.

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  41. I continue to be baffled by The Musers' amusement over slowed-down speech. They fall out of their chairs over this stuff, which is the biggest stop-down that esteemed program ever exhibits.

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  42. Totally agree about the slow-speech effect, but I have only noticed Corby/Danny making a segment out of it.

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  43. Jer sounds so put out during Friday phone feedback. Nobody is forcing you bruh.

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  44. Gordo's play the middle of the fence on all subjects is annoying because of the tactic he uses of building straw men on both sides of the argument - "my liberal friends....", "my right winged friends..." in both cases he always offers up the most annoyingly extreme straw man as if he is the only human with a nuanced well balanced view on things.

    Enough of that Gordon.

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  45. A lot of straw-man arguing goes on at The Ticket. Gordon does some, but when he's trying to be serious -- sometimes hard to tell -- I think he tries to do a fair presentation of the competing positions. But yeah, sometimes.

    Dan M is the chief straw-man guy at The Ticket.

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  46. I knew the Cowboys would lose that game the second I saw George W Bush featured! Every time that guy gets shown on the air at some local sporting event, our teams always lose! Someone pointed that out a few years back, and it's TRUE! It can be Rangers or Cowboys!

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  47. W you went from aged 60s appearance to a stately 85 overnight. Looks old.

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  48. Probably from the guilt of letting oil companies charge $4.50 a gallon for gas his last 3 years in office!

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  49. Jeez. Been listening to BaD for 45 minutes here on Monday, and no discussion yet of the Cowboys game. Wait, here it comes. Still . . . 45 minutes of pretty much nothing from the show featuring largest football brain on the station after a startling Cowboys performance.

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  50. Either you were listening behind or your clock was malfunctioning. They started talking about the Cowboys at 12:40, in the segment following wake and jake and the opening F-around segment. This is what happens in every BaD Radio episode.

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  51. oh, I thought for sure you said 12:55 not 12:45. My bad. But the point stands. The opening BaD segment is never sports-related

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  52. I've been listening to more BaD than I have in years. But it's true that I don't get to hear the open as much as the rest of the show. So the open takes up the better part of an hour and is not about the top sports news on most days? That's one of the show's trademarks?

    Bog.

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  53. I don't listen to as much BaD anymore. Too much Jake and Julie.

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  54. Correct Plainsman.

    You can listen to every Wake&Jake + first segment for the last many years here:

    http://bobanddan.com/bad-radio-opens/

    The mix with Norm typically takes us to 12:05, followed by commercials and the ticker. That takes us to around 12:15 for the Wake&Jake and then the first segment runs from ~12:19-12:33. Then commercials and the second segment starts around 12:40 every day. That's when they get into the meat of the show. If you notice when Bob posts the run sheet on twitter every day, he doesn't even include the actual first segment. The first segment he lists starts at 12:30 (Which in reality is 12:40 because that's how radio/selling the show works)

    Most people would describe the Wake&Jake + first segment as their favorite part of the show. That you find it to be a bog kind of indicates that maybe BaD Radio just isn't your bag.

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  55. I never paid $4.50 for a gallon of gas.

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  56. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-facts-a-fact-check-on-gas-prices/

    "The cost of gas in June of 2008, the early stages of the heavy summer driving season and during the presidential campaign, was $4.10 per gallon. The 2008 gas crisis hit its peak one month later with prices averaging $4.11 per gallon."

    Premium unleaded was definitely going for $4.50, scro

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  57. I've never paid $4.50 for a gallon gas.

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  58. ...or...or. you only bought lower grade gas, which could have been your situation...

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  59. ...definitely not for 3 years though

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  60. Close to it Surly! Gas prices, for some reason, dropped down to $1.65 right be 2008 elections. Trust me, I remember it like it was yesterday! At that time I was driving nearly a hundred miles everyday, and it was f-ing killing me!

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  61. Nope

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/204740/retail-price-of-gasoline-in-the-united-states-since-1990/

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  62. Btw, i guess my comment got pulled. I guess it was too offensive. Unfortunately it was true. Sorry Surly. Don't care about your stats there. I remember very, very well what local prices were, and what I paid.

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  63. Look at the data for Texas during that time, not for the entire US. There's a difference. Ah, the use and abuse of data...

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  64. ok cool

    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMRU_PTE_STX_DPG&f=W


    There was a brief time at/above $4. Not for 3 years

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  65. From what I remember, gas prices escalated after Katrina, which is normal, and that was in fall of 2005. But they never came back down, which was not normal. Not only that, but continued to escalate. Gas prices fluctuated somewhat, but never receded to the comfortable level for the masses. And he's correct in that prices dropped drastically around Thanksgiving of 2008. So that would have had prices at a struggling level for about 3 years.

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  66. And when they fell in late Oct/early Nov it was due to the overall price of a barrel of oil dropping drastically. I recall as I had just taken a job with a startup company and was laid off (with over half the company) 6 weeks later when their main VC backer withdrew funding. He was a middle eastern oil guy, and the major drop in price per barrel made him decide to "keep his gunpowder dry" as it were.

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  67. Yeah Surly!! Take that for data!

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  68. In defense of somebody saying gas was $4.50 a gallon- maybe the guy lived in California . I was stuck in Palo Alto with a rental car and was dumbfounded by how expensive everything was. Gas is over $4 a gallon in California now. I imagine it was closer to $6 back in 2008

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  69. Nope, never above $5

    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_SCA_DPG&f=W

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  70. I've got respond to this Surly guy. I lived in California in the mid to late 2000's. I paid as high as $7.19 a gallon, depending on what fill-up station I went to. In fact, gas was never under $5 during the time period discussed here, at least not in my area.

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