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Friday, July 25, 2025
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I'm not a Dumb Zone subscriber, but I thought I'd check in on how subscribers it has. I haven't kept track over time, but it would seem to be hanging in there with 6500+.
I was struck with its tag line:
Dallas based sports and "comedy" podcast
"Dallas based" should be hyphenated, but I'm not here to nitpick that.
My puzzlement is over putting "comedy" in quotation marks. This would suggest to most third-party readers that the Dumb Zone, or whoever composed that tag line, believes the podcast intends to present itself in that way, or believes it is comedy, but is not, in fact comedic.
However you interpret those quotation marks, putting "comedy" in quotes calls the show's characterization as comedy into question.
Maybe it's the same person who composed "We say what we want."
It’s a bit. It’s always a hit. So curious the hot takes in this forum from folks who don’t actually listen to the DZ.
Yeah their sub numbers have stalled. But their ad revenue continues to go up. On the Mom game pod Jake said he’s back to making at least as much as he made at the ticket, with the added benefit of being his own boss.
DZ is creating organic bits and catch phrases the way the ticket used to in the early days.
DZ is now the main thing I listen to with the ticket a distant second. Ticket sounds stale and tired. No new bits. No new segments. Occasional flashes of greatness.
This sub loves to wish for the DZ demise for some odd reason. It’s not binary. Both can and do exist in harmony.
PM: The placement of quotation marks around “comedy” is likely a reference to one of the very first episodes. If memory serves, Dan was taking Blake to task for not putting the show in the comedy section of Patreon. I’m sure another commenter might be more specific.
If true, that alone is problematic in both the smaller and bigger pictures. A self-created encapsulated existence is delusional. Their numbers peaked at roughly the 8 month mark of their endeavor. This is not merely trending in the wrong direction. This is on an inevitable collision course with failure.
Perhaps they decided to focus on their own show and not start a podcast empire. They have the DZ and the Mom Game. I don’t think Cirq is under no puppet. Jasmine and Julie still do ad sales for them.
Axed for a friend. 'Preciate the 411, Jimmy. Sirois still at it with the urban attention seeker gag? Ya know, the hair, the outfits, and all the stuff. Hope not. Tiresome bit.
Kudos to those DZ bros for somehow convincing their Fams once again that they must make the trip out to Oxnard/Ventura for essential work content! I guess maybe grab a seafood burrito, since it'll be close! If there's enough Time!!
I've been quiet too long. That intro song sucks balls. But I caught the intro Friday and it was soooo spare.
They were talking about f-ups in live spots and Mino was getting into how you have nightmares about such things, and it was going pretty well. Then the Sea Bass pulls an about face and starts talking about his adventures in training camp. Something about disc golf maybe, not quite sure, then just how great Santa Barbara is and he drove somewhere there for something.
Not really sure, he totally lost me. He just threw his wet blanket over the fire Mino was trying to stoke. Just more evidence that the Sea Bass opens up his bag every weekday and finds absolutely nothing.
Sorry emoji-man, not jealous, not a troll, just a long time listener who remembers when I could drive to and from appointments over lunch and not be spared to death. I can remember the first time I heard Microphone Johnson on the old 11-2 show, what I was doing, where I was going.
You obviously have some point you are always pushing. Go for it.
Great idea. Since the Sweet Spot is already ready to take over for the Musers (I’m worried a NY or LA station may poach them before they can move though) there may be a spot open soon.
I have to wonder if the binary position that so many seem to have taken around here is a bit or if it is real. It hasn't made sense to since the start of this, when Dan and Jake left. It has to be a bit right? One that has run its course but the purveyors are addicted to it now.
It only entertaining if your on one end or the other of the binary. It has made it virtually impossible to have any sort of discussion of the Ticket because either as a troll or out zealotry any comment one makes will be met with some inane “they won” or “how does cat’s boot taste”. Watching people engage in what amounts the some strange cyber act of self gratification to get their rocks off a not entertaining for those of us who aren’t either trolls or zealots.
Hard to say. The ego on that one is as such that I could see him never deigning to lower himself to even type in the URL; equally, I could see him saturating the comboxes.
Gato: I think he has done a metal show at night a time or two over the years. I seem to remember him being a better board op and producer than a host talent in his days before the Ticket.
I first heard of him when he was the producer for Ron Engleman at KGBS 1190 in Dallas in the early 90s. Engleman was prominate in the radio broadcasting of the coverage of the Branch Dividian Standoff in Waco in 1993. Engleman was into The Illuminati, black helicopters, and gold fringed flags. IYKYK. He was the producer for The Hard Line during the early years and I remember numerous segments about the metal shows he had attended. He did several night time music shows like most of the hosts have done at various times over the years. If you do a Google search for his name it will pull up lots of industry publications and stories most here havent heard. Reading some of that stuff he has had more of an effect on the station than most know.
That was a reply to Gato comment abnout Cat having his own show. I know damn well he is still the PD. Not every one who post here knows his background. They think he just fell off of the turnip truck and landed that job.
Mike Sirois posted here a couple of weeks ago that Cirque is back. I see on their YouTube channel that they do live stream regularly, more than 2.5 hours last night.
Anyone keep up with them? I'm too lazy to wade through a 2.5 hour podcast/video. If it was on during my working hours I might follow along, but 2.5 hours in the evening is a big commitment.
The show is fun it's good to see the fellas again..I have enjoyed it..I like it because I can listen or watch and probably even listen to it on my sweater
I dig the new Cirque show and find Mike, Danny and Cash entertaining and funny. Their show is good ol' fashioned guy talk which is what drew me to love The Ticket originally. They are also good dudes as shown by them raising a lot of money to help the Texas flood victims a few weeks ago. If you have not checked their show yet, I highly encourage you to do so as I feel like it is worth your time.
A prime drivetime slot for Baseball trade deadline with DiamondTalk* *DiamondTalk is TSS. **They are both on horrible feeds/connections. Connect that with the Hardline is on Remote. ***Maybe just Seabass? He at least can talk about prospects traded. ****just wait for EvanGrant.
Can't people reasonably conclude that someone is a good dude after listening to hundreds of hours of them speaking their minds on the air plus in-person interactions with them off-the-air? I say "reasonably" because we will never know what they are like behind closed doors but that caveat applies to all of us.
I'm not talking so much about Dan and Jake themselves, but they are referred to as 'good dudes' often as well. I am talking more about the random guests that are on that are good dude this good dude that
“Now do the one where you can't abide another reasonably disagreeing with you so you go ad hominem.”
I was having a civil conversation with CJK5H about his opinion. He meant the random guests on the Dumb Zone, and I thought he was referring to Dan and Jake themselves. Simple misunderstanding which is why I chose my words carefully. I wasn’t attacking him personally. I don’t know what part of what I wrote would elicit this kind of bullshit response from you.
Tricky, I think emoji man was addressing the meat of your comment. He said he arrived at a different conclusion than you due to the nearly year long build up until THZ left and what ensued following their leaving. That part of his comment was reasonable. The second half, where he predicted you would/baited you into committing an ad hominem was sorry. Having said that, you did take the bait.
Arvo has a sharp mind. Well done, Arvo! Arvo is also correct about the 2nd part of my comment. Sure, I admit it was a tad below the belt. But, see, I knew Tricksy's virtue signaling via pious calls for reasonable dialogue was a crock. The old "meet me half way...now get behind me" form of "equitable discourse." Surprise! I was right. Couldn't help his tricksy self.
There was a sound bite many years ago of some one, maybe LeBron, calling someone a good dude. BAD got obsessed with it as they were want to do. I don’t recall the reason but it was often a drop following them saying someone’s name if there was a moment of dead air. I think it was during Mino’s board op reign but it might go back to Grubes. You will still hear it on occasion and Bob throws it out from time time still. If any of the Ticket folks are reading they might be able to give the origin of the drop. Maybe it’s a question to throw Mino’s way.
About to ACTUALLY name a name if said nane doesn't chill out - yes, I know who you are IRLAugust 2, 2025 at 9:13 AM
BKHarmony is a long tine troll, both here at MTC and on his own reddit site. He's obsessed with Cat and all things Ticket. Obsessed in a negative way. Think about that post, then think about reality. Do you actually believe a pd of an off the charts successful by any standard, path breaking station would attempt to infiltrate a reddit sub inhabited by a handful of parental basement dwelling know-nothings who have absolutely zero bearing on either the station's or his success and/or reputation within the profession? Of course not.
CtC is the same dip wad who lies, is demonstrably proven to lie, doubles down, is again proven to have lied, then disappears for a week. Well, I should say: doesn't use that particular handle for a week.
So someone is about to name names if someone doesn't stop? A) you're threatening to dox someone and that's apparently fine in here B) you're threatening to do this because someone has made allegations against a station you cape for (but other fans of other content are the weirdos?!?!) C) the guy you're threatening to dox isn't exactly hiding who he is - he's extremely easy to find IRL - but go on and keep behaving like an angwy toddler
Cat is getting shredded online once again. Not good for the station. They’re gonna end up having to replace him. Right or wrong, doesn’t matter. He is too polarizing among fans and advertisers. Maybe I’m crazy….
Just like there's not a sosh groundswell building that demands the ousting of Cat. Just like the flippin pd of a highly successful sports station is not a "polarizing figure." Just like legions of now former P1s stopped listening due to Matt McClearin, Sean Bass, and Mino being hosts, and Sirois', Julie's, Dan's, and Jake's departures.
No.
There's roughly the sane 6-8 obsessed individuals on Ticket reddit who inhabit the same echo chamber. And. There are the same two individuals here who, via a myriad number of handles and different "voices", continue to play out their game of checkers for idiots.
Hiya, BurgerKing. Bruh is correct. Sane 6-8 do all the commentin'. You just make the poor rhetorical ploy. Number of redditors wasn't mentioned. Number of commenters was the claim. A claim that from all appearances looks to be more or less the case. Try again.
I understand what you are saying. From my perspective It doesn’t matter how many comments, Who comments, real or fake. None of those things really matter. What matter’s is the number of eyes on it. That is the only point I’m trying to make.
For Jake, because he is for sure checking in over here--
Your 1st tweet/gif was Fire. Perfecto, no notes. But then you kept going. & it just lost a little steam. It seems like this news really riled you up...you clearly want to go nuclear on Cat. Go! Or is this the same sort of tease you and Dan do....it'll amount to some semi-vague mention for an under breath chuckle on Mondays stream. -DubsUp.
Jake. I'd think he has far more important and pressing things to focus on. But maybe not. Despite what some of you believe (and he himself believes), he's not always the sharpest knife in the drawer. One of the louder voices, yes. Confident regardless of how many times he gets things wrong, absolutely. But genuinely smart enough to know better than to step into some bizarro world social media, ahem, cat fight that has nothing to do with him? Apparently not. Maybe he's jonesing for some more courtroom action . . . . . Just sayin'.
If I were Points for Sex Mab, I'd be deleting those and would keep my mouth shut going forward. Lest he find himself in breach of their settlement with Cumulus. Not to mention it's usually the early adopter stone caster that's also guilty of doing the very thing or something similar to what they condemn. Let's just say there is a certain commenter here whose style is awfully familiar with a certain ex pat's Tweet/X missives.
1. If true, Cat is an absolute nut job. If true, I have to wonder if at the very least he is reprimanded by Cumulus -- at worst, terminated.
2. My gut tells me it isn't true. It makes zero sense for Cat to engage in such behavior. However, people do whacky shit. Kevin Durant, one of the best, most successful basketball players in the history of the game has been caught multiple times using burner accounts to battle nobody, randos who deigned to criticize him. Makes zero sense, but there he is doing it. So I'll never say "never."
3. If I missed it, someone please tell me otherwise and point out where I might find the hard evidence that it is Cat. What I read merely asserted it was. Assertions made by someone with a handle who evidently runs Ticket reddit in some capacity that are based on assertions by mods. I'm not saying they're untrue, but I read/saw nothing that supported these claims.
4. If I'm the individuals making these very public and frankly very damning claims that call into question Cat's personal and professional reputations. I would post up the hard supporting evidence ASAP. As in yesterday. Else, you might have some serious legal issues coming your way, hard and fast and for real. Anonymity only goes so far. Highly doubt reddit's parent company, Advance Publications, is going to want to deal with such a thing, much less protect a few dudes running a subreddit focused on a sports talk radio station in Dallas. Maybe I'm wrong. But at least it's food for thought.
5. But why would anyone make up such an outlandish story? Like Cat doing such a thing, it makes zero sense. Also. like Kevin Durant and his burner accounts, it makes zero sense, and yet he does it.
The whole thing, whatever the truth may be, is off the charts bonkers.
1. If it wasn’t Cat then who would be added with zero Reddit history and their first actions be removing Grubes and Jake from the directory? And then search out a KT comment that wasn’t negative towards the station and delete that? KT has been gone for 13 years but the person seeked him out immediately. 2. TC said he’s been reached out to by former coworkers that he hadn’t talked to in a long time which means the ticket staff is talking and concerned about it. 3. The mod that gave access to the supposed Cat account deleted his entire Reddit profile so no one can contact that person to verify any of that. All said it’s circumstantial but there’s smoke of someone from the station having a hand in it.
It’s 100% legit. The person who gave up their mod credentials on r/theticket posted a snapshot of the message they sent to the remaining mod (who apparently hadn’t been around in years) over on a Discord server. Discord is a social application that is much easier to use than a freaking Blogspot comment section from 2006 when it comes to having a conversation. 😂 But, I digress.
The message from the old mod specifically said the new mod accounts they added were for Cat and station interns. The old mod deleted their Reddit account because of the shit they had already been taking from sub members for years. Hence their reason for giving up their mod credentials. They (old mod) had been trying for a while to pass the baton to a non-Ticket individual but had no takers.
I say it's bull until homie produces proof..cannot fathom an award winning pd in a major market gives a flip what some dorks on reddit says..what a strange time for Dallas area happenings..am I right guys
Regarding <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/theticket/comments/1mfev5b/state_of_the_sub/>this Reddit post</a>. I totally believe u/bkharmony that Jeff Catlin is trying to install an intern as a moderator on r/theticket.
Catlin is just acting like every other micro-managing corporate dweeb who is "laser focused on promoting The Ticket brand" or whatever corporate speak they are spewing at the time. That is what guys like him do.
That's not what guys like him do. Quite the opposite, in fact. None of this is believable. I too say you never know/people do crazy things. But where's the hard evidence?
I was at the last 2 Catlin AMAs. In both he was asked about social sites like Reddit, and both times he said he doesn’t follow it, it’s too negative and doesn’t correlate to the reality they see (ratings), but that he does have a few people who occasionally update him. I personally find it hard to believe that a Marconi winning PD is going to bother to with a Reddit sub forum. The Ticket was atop the ratings last month (again) and is the top billing station in the market. The Reddit hot take that the station sucks, it’s failing, etc, just doesn’t correspond to objective reality, ratings and revenue. And the current Reddit state of mind, “they’re going to need to fire Cat over this” is ludicrous. He’s the PD of the most successful station of all cumulus stations. He’s not getting fired over a reddit rumor. C
Another lying, obsessed fanatic who believes they're running a psyops mission for TDZ. You'll notice in the comments for that wholly unsubstantiated claim, they almost immediately turn into an en masse shilling for TDZ. The Hive is real. Those "Boys" really have done a number on all you fools.
I haven’t had email conversations with him, but I’ll tell you this- the ones I see recapped on Reddit almost all fall into the category I mentioned above. Hot takes that don’t correspond to reality. I’ll give you an example. There’s massive consternation on Reddit about “wasting” a segment on the 640a replay. Consternation how listeners have heard it the day before, heard it on the top 10, etc.. The problem? TSL tells them how long the average Neilsen PPM metered listener listens for. Ratings data tells them that are basically zero listeners who listen at 840a AND at 640a the next day. The 6am hour listeners are different than the 7am listeners, both are different than the 8am listeners. The average Reddit user is not the average ticket listener. C
And I’ll give you an example from my life. One of my first sales jobs in radio, when I was but a child, was for an oldies station. My biggest account was an avid listener. His complaint was we played the same songs too often. I listened to his complaints, and talked to the PD (RIP Chuck). Going back to the guy that was responsible for probably 50% of my paycheck at that time and trying to explain why he was wrong was a tough sell. But my client, who listened for 10-12 hours a day wasn’t a typical listener. The PDs point was he programs for the average listener, not the extreme. It’s every programmers dilemma, do you program for the average listener that listens 10 hours a week, or the reddit user that listens 10 hours a day. C
The moment any actual evidence, much less a smoking gun, is presented, I'll take this accusation seriously. To say someone is a shill, a boot licker, or is falling for Cat's machinations because they find the claim implausible is a reflection on that person's willingness to believe the worst in others with no proof other than anonymous claims based on anonymous sources. All things being equal, this assertion seems laughable. In my mind it remains as such unless, again, proof or genuine evidence is produced. If ever either of those are revealed, I will absolutely be open minded to this claim.
The latest It’s Just Banter Patreon episode is largely about this Cat move. So far my favorite revelations are that My Ticket Confession once had info from an email that was critical of TC’s work, sent by Cat to only TC and Jake. Very obviously, Cat shared the email with “The Plainsman.” Given how that blog was so sure that the dumb zone would lose their case and was on Cumulus’ side, this is not surprising at all. I’m wondering how many comments that were pro-cumulus anti-TDZ were Cat and his minions.
Let me point out one thing. TDZ didn’t win their case. Neither did Cumulus. They settled because it dragged out long enough to get Cumulus a couple of ratings books that showed zero ratings drop off from THZ to TSS. Im convinced they settled because cumulus saw there’s a limited number of people willing to pay for content, and those numbers at the time weren’t enough to hurt their ratings. And ratings drive revenue. C
C minus, you’re convinced that’s why they settled? Not that Cat acted like a douche and didn’t know what the Fan was, then said the DZ was trying to lure away listeners and his proof was emails he received BEFORE the podcast was announced? They quickly settled after his testimony and after Dan made them look foolish in the way only he can. And when they settled, they gave TDZ everything they wanted, so yeah, one could view that as a loss.
Hey Cat, I’ve been listening to the ticket since I was 13. My dad was a day 1 P1. I’ve enjoyed the ticket for well more than half my life. Thanks to your leadership, I am more productive, more present in my daily life, and have been able to explore new hobbies and topics. Had you not done an amazing job at completely ruining the station that I loved, I wouldn’t have so much extra time to expand my horizons in life. Your horrendous programming decisions, willingness to lie under oath, comfort with fucking over so called friends and coworkers for the sake of a heartless corporation, and attempt to subversively take over a listener driven sub Reddit, have allowed me to feel good about never listening to the station again. I wish you the best and hope you have an opportunity to retire very very soon.
Out of nowhere? I’ve been commenting here for years under the same name. And for years I’ve harped on the same things. One of them being that this subjective “this thing sucks” mentality that shows up here and is pervasive in Reddit is out of touch with the reality that people like Bennett and Catlin see every day. Let’s remember TT was in a great ratings groove and then the hang zone left. And the Ticket managed to stay in that groove for another 2 plus years. Is the sweet spot weaker than THZ? Maybe. Has it hurt their overall ratings, no. C
My Ticket Confession once had info from an email that was critical of TC’s work, sent by Cat to only TC and Jake. Very obviously, Cat shared the email with “The Plainsman.”
Their time off in July over summer vacations has been suspicious? Ok. What about the Musers, Corby, Bob and Dave’s? Also Donovan is about to be off too
I DO agree with you on this—Dan and Jake are an integral part of the station.
I’d guess this email is from the limbo period where no one knew what the deal was because Dan and Jake were negotiating with Cumulus Corporate and not with Bennett or Catlin. Snarky, but from what’s been said, I think Catlin, the rest of the hosts, etc all thought a deal would get done. And I’d think they’d a catch 22, he gets slammed if he doesn’t answer emails, gets slammed if he does answer with what he knew at the time. C
I love your email---you write it like you gathered ALL Ticket listeners, put it to a vote and they elected you president and spokesperson! Hahaha
Dan and Jake are out on vacation. It’s summer, it’s July. Training Camp/Football season is about 2 ½2 weeks away. This is not new or news. You should know this as president/spokesperson for all Ticket listeners.
Also PS- I am not in sales, never have been never will
So what did the email he was responding to say? Because it sounds like it was “the ticket listeners want Dan and Jake”, if do, yeah who elected that guy as ticket spokesperson? I think there a difference in emailing a personal opinion and speaking ex cathedra. But your mileage may vary. C
I emailed him once, maybe a decade ago. I asked why they had stopped sending out text alerts for big-name interviews. He said something like “I’ll put Danny on a PIP to make sure it gets fixed. Is that ok with you?”
Jeff banned Tony from going to Oxnard to perform his engineering duties because Tony got on the air at 4am at a Campound after all of the on-air talent urged him to do it so they could broadcast all night until The Musers started. Jeff believed that Tier 3 and below employees should not be heard on air
From listening to the latest It's Just Banter podcast with TC and Jake, they laid out the facts:
1) Jeff Catlin sent an email to TC and copied Jake (as he was the producer of Bad Radio at the time) regarding notes on TC's performance. No one else was on the email chain.
2) TC then goes to My Ticket Confession and sees a discussion regarding himself, in which the Plainsman said in effect, "I am hearing that TC's performance will be dealt with shortly". The only way the Plainsman would have known that because Cat forwarded that email to him, clearly an HR violation.
3) TC then escalated it to HR saying that a private email regarding his performance got sent outside the organization. TC reached out the Plainsman to get his help in proving that Catlin had forwarded the email to him but got no response. Catlin then lies to Cumulus HR, saying he did not forward it. Nothing ends up happening because The Plainsman didn't want to help TC by showing the forwarded email because he didn't want to jeopardize his relationship with Cat. However, Cat did offer a de-facto apology to TC later on and treated him better.
All that being said, all the circumstantial evidence leads to this being a real incident.
Plainsman never posted anything like that. In fact, he has always defended TC. MTC commenters, well that's another story. Beginning to think TC is behind all this. Keep an eye out. What right now seems to be a very bad optic for one Jeff Caitlin, might end up being the downfall of TC and possibly others. If you're gonna come hard at people you better have your ducks in a row, facts straight, and you better damn well be telling the truth.
Tricky, none of that is circumstantial evidence. It's more hearsay and assertions. Circumstantial evidence would be the publication of a genuine enail or the likes. The moment that happens, game on. Until or if that ever happens, right now all of this is a defamation case in the making.
"I am hearing that TC's performance will be dealt with shortly" -would that pertain to his horrible Ticker reads, constant coughing on air, maybe just pretty bad on-air in general?
I don't think Top Secret memo's needed to be floating around to deduce that Ragonks performance was being looked into by the stations PD.
Ed, TC and Jake worked under Cat for a very long time. They were there long enough to see the internal politics at the station and how Cat treated Tier 1 staff differently than Tiers 2-4. Jake also said in the episode he had evidence of a few more incidents Cat did that could get him fired.
Whenever is it a case of management versus employees, I will more often than not, give the employees the benefit of the doubt. Why would TC and Jake lie about this? Why would they open themselves to a possible defamation suit unless this was true? Why are people here so pro-Jeff Catlin and are having a hard time processing that he likely did all this? I love the station too but come on guys. Just my two cents.
Tricky, I hear you. I too most always take the employees' side by default until proven otherwise. But none of that, including Jake's claim regarding emails/evidence means squat until it's shown. You raise the very sane question I did: Why would any of them make such claims if untrue? Moreover, why would Cat engage in such behavior (talking here about the reddit stuff)? Neither makes sense, neither is rational. But like I said in a previous comment, people do irrational, stupid things.. My example was Kevin Durant and his burner accounts. I could have also used Favre and his dick pics and many other examples. Not sure if you were addressing me or not, but asking legit questions and offering reasonable analyses is not tantamount to defending Cat. It's having a desire to know the truth, no matter where it leads. This isn't aimed at you, but I do my best to draw conclusions and ascertain the truth as best I can by way of factual evidence. And I also try my best not to get caught up in emotional groundswells.Let the facts bear out, From there the truth will out.
A very long time? Jake maybe, but TC is a blip of incompetence on the ticket history radar. And Catlin treats hosts differently than support staff? Shocking I say!!! Why would he treat hosts who draw an audience different than ticker guys, guys that KNTU kick out at least half a dozen of a year. The newest ticker guy, whoever that is, was better on his first day than TC ever was. C
Ed, all good points. Without hard evidence, this comes down to trusting the indirect evidence that has been put forward and also trusting the characters of the people proposing it. Who is one going to believe - TC, Jake and the reddit moderator or Jeff Catlin/Peter Welpton? I agree with your overall point though, in that, pursuing hard facts and evidence is critical to uncovering the truth, not only in local stuff like this but on the national stage. Guess we shall see. Thanks man.
C Minus - Yes, all directors treat staff at various positions differently. However, at a base level, management has to treat staff respectfully. That is the crux of what TC and other support staff are saying in that Cat was largely an asshole to these guys.
I hear you, Tricky. I would say that I know none if these parties. Jake and TC are entertainers. Cat is a suit. The others involved are anonymous. What I do know is this: TC has for years been very public about his dislike for Cat in particular and The Ticket in general. His reddit ama alone is legendary. That points toward (points, not definitely is) bias. Jake split in a very public and contentious way with Cumulus, and has made public unflattering remarks about Cat. This too could be construed to show bias. Cat is the former direct supervisor of both TC and Jake, was intimately involved with the aforementioned contentious departure and subsequent court case involving Jake AND had a by all appearances unfriendly work and personal relationship with TC. That also can be viewed as potential bias. Then there's the reddit aspect. Ticket teddit is often more anti than pro Ticket. Rightly or not, it is now perceived as more of a DZ proxy site than an actual Ticket fan page. That too can be taken into account.
This is pure insanity. Plainsman, either put this thing out of its misery or take control and go the verified members only route.
Why are some of you so rabidly invested? All these claims of inside knowledge, former employee status, and more. For what? What is the end game? What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Are trying to impress a certain party, and if so, who and why? All this over a PD at a radio station who takes orders from on high. This isn't passion, it's pathology. It's a "grassroots movement" conceived and executed by a small group of anonymous individuals coalescing around a claim by an anonymous source who in turn is baing their claim on an anonymous source. Furthermore, no evidence backing this claim has yet surfaced.
Want to get real with this, then cone forward both with your identities and most importantly, with hard evidence.
I am in no way associated with the station. I am merely asking what I think are legitimate questions and making what I believe to be legitimate observations about some pretty flippin serious accusations that if true could greatly damage another's reputation and even cost them their career. Such things are not a game. So if the evidence is out there show it. Real evidence, replete with actual time/date stamps and all the rest.
If that evidence exists, and if Cat dud engage in such behavior, then shame on him and whatever the fallout is, so be it. If it doesn't, shame on all of you, and pray no one (much less a band of pixelated pitchfork wielding zealots) ever unjustly and in a cloaked cowardly fashion comes after you.
You folks are nuts! Dude running the reddit site has gone off the rails. Now taunting Cat. Saying all this is mere opinion. Can't help what other people think and say. Cat can't sue him. Wild stuff! Y'all need to quit with the microdosing or something! lDamn!!!
I'm not sure what you are "microdosing". u/bkharmony has updated his post to say that Catlin is trying to cover his tracks. I think we know where to file your opinions.
That means nothing bro! Dhow me the money! Publish the emails! I know where to file your opinions bro. Boot licker bro! Thems some nasty ass boots bro!
Putting all of it aside, what puzzles me is why Jake and to a lesser extent TC have stepped into any of it. What is there to gain? If anything, they may have put themselves in a bad spot. And for what, a subreddit that has nothing to do with them? Not getting it. Assuming it's all true, how is that their battle? The latest IJB is riveting for sure. But it might also be used against them as smoking gun evidence in a civil case.
I too am curious to if Plainsman responds. And if so, how. I believe Eagles is correct in saying Plainsman was or is still a lawyer. Ditto re an Ivy League education. That he was/is a lawyer is pretty interesting. My guess, and that's all it is, is he will not address the claim(s). He won't because he is, as they say in the legal profession, exploring options. Even acknowledging, much less speaking to, any accusation or claim could be injurious to any avenues he might wish to pursue. Hence, I'd be surprised if we see anything from him.
Regardless of the verity of any of these claims, regardless of who's side you're on, I must admit this is a most fascinating turn of events that might trigger an avalanche. One that could affect, this site and Plainsman personally, the reddit site and its admin and mods, and Cat's personal and professional career. Not to mention whoever it is (if there is) supposedly in cahoots with Cat. Ball do crazy things.
Forgot to add Jake and TC, who have joined in the fun. Could Jake have somehow, unknowingly violated terms of their settlement with Cumulus? Are both open to defamation suits? Dunno. But it's another piece of this steaming hot pie.
For fuck's sake what a bunch of unhinged nerds in the thrall of group psychosis.
IT'S A FUCKING RADIO STATION. IT'S A FUCKING PD FROM A RADIO STATION. IT'S A BUNCH OF FUCKING PEOPLE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHO DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU PAST LISTENING, ATTENDING EVENTS, AND PAYING SUB FEES. THAT IS, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TAKING YOUR MONEY. ALL OF THEM. TWO SIDES / SAME COIN.
I'm not a Dumb Zone subscriber, but I thought I'd check in on how subscribers it has. I haven't kept track over time, but it would seem to be hanging in there with 6500+.
ReplyDeleteI was struck with its tag line:
Dallas based sports and "comedy" podcast
"Dallas based" should be hyphenated, but I'm not here to nitpick that.
My puzzlement is over putting "comedy" in quotation marks. This would suggest to most third-party readers that the Dumb Zone, or whoever composed that tag line, believes the podcast intends to present itself in that way, or believes it is comedy, but is not, in fact comedic.
However you interpret those quotation marks, putting "comedy" in quotes calls the show's characterization as comedy into question.
Maybe it's the same person who composed "We say what we want."
It’s a bit. It’s always a hit. So curious the hot takes in this forum from folks who don’t actually listen to the DZ.
DeleteYeah their sub numbers have stalled. But their ad revenue continues to go up. On the Mom game pod Jake said he’s back to making at least as much as he made at the ticket, with the added benefit of being his own boss.
DZ is creating organic bits and catch phrases the way the ticket used to in the early days.
DZ is now the main thing I listen to with the ticket a distant second. Ticket sounds stale and tired. No new bits. No new segments. Occasional flashes of greatness.
This sub loves to wish for the DZ demise for some odd reason. It’s not binary. Both can and do exist in harmony.
PM:
ReplyDeleteThe placement of quotation marks around “comedy” is likely a reference to one of the very first episodes. If memory serves, Dan was taking Blake to task for not putting the show in the comedy section of Patreon. I’m sure another commenter might be more specific.
If true, that alone is problematic in both the smaller and bigger pictures. A self-created encapsulated existence is delusional. Their numbers peaked at roughly the 8 month mark of their endeavor. This is not merely trending in the wrong direction. This is on an inevitable collision course with failure.
DeleteOr it’s not and they’re doing fine.
DeleteThis is some hard hitting investigative journalism.
ReplyDeleteI don't think you understand what the term "journalism "means, Micro. But that's par for the course for you.
DeleteHar, my dude. When you gonna get it through you head that you ain't good at this, yo? Sour milk, sour grapes. Whatevs.
DeleteI'm still awaiting all those new and dynamic shows, the great expansion of No Puppet and all the rest that Jasmine and Co promised.
ReplyDeletePerhaps they decided to focus on their own show and not start a podcast empire. They have the DZ and the Mom Game. I don’t think Cirq is under no puppet. Jasmine and Julie still do ad sales for them.
DeleteBy the by, did the CdS reboot already die on the vine? Nada from them lads of late. Axin' for a friend.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about. Cirque put out 2 episodes this week, like they have every week since the reboot.
DeleteAxed for a friend. 'Preciate the 411, Jimmy. Sirois still at it with the urban attention seeker gag? Ya know, the hair, the outfits, and all the stuff. Hope not. Tiresome bit.
DeleteKudos to those DZ bros for somehow convincing their Fams once again that they must make the trip out to Oxnard/Ventura for essential work content!
ReplyDeleteI guess maybe grab a seafood burrito, since it'll be close! If there's enough Time!!
"It's a sad sad situation"
Delete--Elton John ("Sorry Seems To Be The Hardest Word")
You left out the next, most apropos line: ,"And it's getting more snd more absurd."
DeleteB+, bud. Gotta finish strong, no matter how solid the idea.
The Sweet Spot
DeleteI've been quiet too long. That intro song sucks balls. But I caught the intro Friday and it was soooo spare.
They were talking about f-ups in live spots and Mino was getting into how you have nightmares about such things, and it was going pretty well. Then the Sea Bass pulls an about face and starts talking about his adventures in training camp. Something about disc golf maybe, not quite sure, then just how great Santa Barbara is and he drove somewhere there for something.
Not really sure, he totally lost me. He just threw his wet blanket over the fire Mino was trying to stoke. Just more evidence that the Sea Bass opens up his bag every weekday and finds absolutely nothing.
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DeleteI can see what you are saying I know I listen out of habit
DeleteSorry emoji-man, not jealous, not a troll, just a long time listener who remembers when I could drive to and from appointments over lunch and not be spared to death. I can remember the first time I heard Microphone Johnson on the old 11-2 show, what I was doing, where I was going.
DeleteYou obviously have some point you are always pushing. Go for it.
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DeleteRe-workshop??
Delete*cut to Meme of Jesus Christ Thats Jason Bourne.
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DeleteHad to get your daddy, Pjitt, to do your bidding, eh. That's OK. You saw it. Still stands. Little Red Riding Hood, this one.
DeleteCat should have his own show on the station.
ReplyDeleteIntroduce me
DeleteAgreed. Behind the scenes, pull back the curtain sruff. Could be interesting. Great suggestion.
DeleteSam? You at it again?
DeleteGreat idea. Since the Sweet Spot is already ready to take over for the Musers (I’m worried a NY or LA station may poach them before they can move though) there may be a spot open soon.
DeleteBigHarry hit the nail on the head
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DeleteThey won, son. They. Won. Again, why are you obsessed with a station manager and a 2 hour show?
DeleteI have to wonder if the binary position that so many seem to have taken around here is a bit or if it is real. It hasn't made sense to since the start of this, when Dan and Jake left. It has to be a bit right? One that has run its course but the purveyors are addicted to it now.
ReplyDeleteI don’t know if it’s a bit or not but it’s thoroughly entertaining making them mad.
DeleteIt only entertaining if your on one end or the other of the binary. It has made it virtually impossible to have any sort of discussion of the Ticket because either as a troll or out zealotry any comment one makes will be met with some inane “they won” or “how does cat’s boot taste”. Watching people engage in what amounts the some strange cyber act of self gratification to get their rocks off a not entertaining for those of us who aren’t either trolls or zealots.
DeleteNo, Har. You're the angry, obsessed one. Bad ploy. Try again. Find a mirror.
DeleteIm pretty sure most of these replies are TC.
Deleteit checks out.
All the exes are angry. They want back in sooooooooo badly.
DeleteYou couldn’t pay Jake $300K to go back
DeleteYou could pay him $85k and he'd leap at it.
DeleteIs TC still a thing?
DeleteHard to say. The ego on that one is as such that I could see him never deigning to lower himself to even type in the URL; equally, I could see him saturating the comboxes.
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DeleteBoring question. Better: Which ex-pat will most rue their decision by 01/27?
DeleteThe second and third biggest loser to have left the Ticket is TC and TC
DeleteTC trifecta... nice. Has he shown up with Jake an Dan since the demise of The Freak?
DeleteGato: I think he has done a metal show at night a time or two over the years. I seem to remember him being a better board op and producer than a host talent in his days before the Ticket.
ReplyDeleteSay what?
DeleteI first heard of him when he was the producer for Ron Engleman at KGBS 1190 in Dallas in the early 90s. Engleman was prominate in the radio broadcasting of the coverage of the Branch Dividian Standoff in Waco in 1993. Engleman was into The Illuminati, black helicopters, and gold fringed flags. IYKYK.
DeleteHe was the producer for The Hard Line during the early years and I remember numerous segments about the metal shows he had attended. He did several night time music shows like most of the hosts have done at various times over the years. If you do a Google search for his name it will pull up lots of industry publications and stories most here havent heard.
Reading some of that stuff he has had more of an effect on the station than most know.
I know all that. Just gobsmacked you think he's the biggest loser to have left TT. Crazy nonsensical. You know he's the current pd, yes?
DeleteThat was a reply to Gato comment abnout Cat having his own show. I know damn well he is still the PD. Not every one who post here knows his background. They think he just fell off of the turnip truck and landed that job.
DeleteYou are a pot stirrer.
DeleteThe sweet spares, huh, get it? huh?
ReplyDeleteCan you elucidate further?
Deletemore like the spare spot
DeleteMike Sirois posted here a couple of weeks ago that Cirque is back. I see on their YouTube channel that they do live stream regularly, more than 2.5 hours last night.
ReplyDeleteAnyone keep up with them? I'm too lazy to wade through a 2.5 hour podcast/video. If it was on during my working hours I might follow along, but 2.5 hours in the evening is a big commitment.
You can listen to the audio the next day. At 2x speed
DeleteIt ain't for me, daddy. Can't get past the urban attention seeking aspect of it. Crispin Glover circa 1992 called and wants his schtick back.
DeleteThe show is fun it's good to see the fellas again..I have enjoyed it..I like it because I can listen or watch and probably even listen to it on my sweater
DeleteMy experience has been the opposite of yours.
DeleteMy experience is the opposite of the opposite of TimT's
DeleteBo one asked you. No one cares.
DeleteI care
DeleteI dig the new Cirque show and find Mike, Danny and Cash entertaining and funny. Their show is good ol' fashioned guy talk which is what drew me to love The Ticket originally. They are also good dudes as shown by them raising a lot of money to help the Texas flood victims a few weeks ago. If you have not checked their show yet, I highly encourage you to do so as I feel like it is worth your time.
ReplyDeleteI did. My experience was different than yours.
Deletehttps://barrettmedia.com/job/general-sales-manager-96-71310-the-ticketwbap-am-fmklifam/
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DeleteA prime drivetime slot for Baseball trade deadline with DiamondTalk*
ReplyDelete*DiamondTalk is TSS.
**They are both on horrible feeds/connections. Connect that with the Hardline is on Remote.
***Maybe just Seabass? He at least can talk about prospects traded.
****just wait for EvanGrant.
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DeleteWhat is up with dumb zone fans and “good dude”
ReplyDeleteIs everyone associated with the podcast a good dude? Are we sure?
None are. It's just that The Invested are in a constant struggle to convince themselves they chose wisely. Stuff like that.
DeleteCan't people reasonably conclude that someone is a good dude after listening to hundreds of hours of them speaking their minds on the air plus in-person interactions with them off-the-air? I say "reasonably" because we will never know what they are like behind closed doors but that caveat applies to all of us.
DeleteI'm not talking so much about Dan and Jake themselves, but they are referred to as 'good dudes' often as well. I am talking more about the random guests that are on that are good dude this good dude that
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Delete“Now do the one where you can't abide another reasonably disagreeing with you so you go ad hominem.”
DeleteI was having a civil conversation with CJK5H about his opinion. He meant the random guests on the Dumb Zone, and I thought he was referring to Dan and Jake themselves. Simple misunderstanding which is why I chose my words carefully. I wasn’t attacking him personally. I don’t know what part of what I wrote would elicit this kind of bullshit response from you.
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DeleteTricky, I think emoji man was addressing the meat of your comment. He said he arrived at a different conclusion than you due to the nearly year long build up until THZ left and what ensued following their leaving. That part of his comment was reasonable. The second half, where he predicted you would/baited you into committing an ad hominem was sorry. Having said that, you did take the bait.
DeleteArvo has a sharp mind. Well done, Arvo! Arvo is also correct about the 2nd part of my comment. Sure, I admit it was a tad below the belt. But, see, I knew Tricksy's virtue signaling via pious calls for reasonable dialogue was a crock. The old "meet me half way...now get behind me" form of "equitable discourse." Surprise! I was right. Couldn't help his tricksy self.
DeleteThere was a sound bite many years ago of some one, maybe LeBron, calling someone a good dude. BAD got obsessed with it as they were want to do. I don’t recall the reason but it was often a drop following them saying someone’s name if there was a moment of dead air. I think it was during Mino’s board op reign but it might go back to Grubes. You will still hear it on occasion and Bob throws it out from time time still. If any of the Ticket folks are reading they might be able to give the origin of the drop. Maybe it’s a question to throw Mino’s way.
DeleteIt’s Dirk.
DeleteYou are correct it clicked once you said it. Thanks!
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Deletebruh. he got ya numba.
Delete“why are we fighting?”
ReplyDeleteThoughts?? Sounds like cap to me as the kids say....https://www.reddit.com/r/theticket/comments/1mfev5b/state_of_the_sub/
ReplyDeleteBKHarmony is a long tine troll, both here at MTC and on his own reddit site. He's obsessed with Cat and all things Ticket. Obsessed in a negative way. Think about that post, then think about reality. Do you actually believe a pd of an off the charts successful by any standard, path breaking station would attempt to infiltrate a reddit sub inhabited by a handful of parental basement dwelling know-nothings who have absolutely zero bearing on either the station's or his success and/or reputation within the profession? Of course not.
DeleteYes, Cat would absolutely do this.
DeleteI know you think that, Sam. He won. Didn't want ya. Git rid of ya, didn't he. Owie.
DeleteCtC is the same dip wad who lies, is demonstrably proven to lie, doubles down, is again proven to have lied, then disappears for a week. Well, I should say: doesn't use that particular handle for a week.
DeleteAnother sad creep anong many.
So someone is about to name names if someone doesn't stop? A) you're threatening to dox someone and that's apparently fine in here B) you're threatening to do this because someone has made allegations against a station you cape for (but other fans of other content are the weirdos?!?!) C) the guy you're threatening to dox isn't exactly hiding who he is - he's extremely easy to find IRL - but go on and keep behaving like an angwy toddler
DeleteI don’t know why anyone is just assuming it’s cat either lol, it could be I guess, but I’m not just believing it is for sure
ReplyDeleteCat is getting shredded online once again. Not good for the station. They’re gonna end up having to replace him. Right or wrong, doesn’t matter. He is too polarizing among fans and advertisers. Maybe I’m crazy….
ReplyDeleteYes, you are crazy.
DeleteDid you read the link? IT EXPLICITLY NAMES CAT. lol
DeleteOf course it's not Cat.
DeleteJust like there's not a sosh groundswell building that demands the ousting of Cat. Just like the flippin pd of a highly successful sports station is not a "polarizing figure." Just like legions of now former P1s stopped listening due to Matt McClearin, Sean Bass, and Mino being hosts, and Sirois', Julie's, Dan's, and Jake's departures.
No.
There's roughly the sane 6-8 obsessed individuals on Ticket reddit who inhabit the same echo chamber. And. There are the same two individuals here who, via a myriad number of handles and different "voices", continue to play out their game of checkers for idiots.
There is 45,000 men aged 25-54 in that subreddit.
DeleteHiya, BurgerKing. Bruh is correct. Sane 6-8 do all the commentin'. You just make the poor rhetorical ploy. Number of redditors wasn't mentioned. Number of commenters was the claim. A claim that from all appearances looks to be more or less the case. Try again.
DeleteI understand what you are saying. From my perspective It doesn’t matter how many comments, Who comments, real or fake. None of those things really matter. What matter’s is the number of eyes on it. That is the only point I’m trying to make.
DeleteMuch better. Good on ya.
DeleteAnd scene
ReplyDeleteYou mad, bro?
DeleteFor Jake, because he is for sure checking in over here--
ReplyDeleteYour 1st tweet/gif was Fire. Perfecto, no notes.
But then you kept going. & it just lost a little steam. It seems like this news really riled you up...you clearly want to go nuclear on Cat. Go!
Or is this the same sort of tease you and Dan do....it'll amount to some semi-vague mention for an under breath chuckle on Mondays stream.
-DubsUp.
Jake. I'd think he has far more important and pressing things to focus on. But maybe not. Despite what some of you believe (and he himself believes), he's not always the sharpest knife in the drawer. One of the louder voices, yes. Confident regardless of how many times he gets things wrong, absolutely. But genuinely smart enough to know better than to step into some bizarro world social media, ahem, cat fight that has nothing to do with him? Apparently not. Maybe he's jonesing for some more courtroom action . . . . . Just sayin'.
DeleteIf I were Points for Sex Mab, I'd be deleting those and would keep my mouth shut going forward. Lest he find himself in breach of their settlement with Cumulus. Not to mention it's usually the early adopter stone caster that's also guilty of doing the very thing or something similar to what they condemn. Let's just say there is a certain commenter here whose style is awfully familiar with a certain ex pat's Tweet/X missives.
DeleteA few thoughts on the reddit/Cat kerfuffle.
ReplyDelete1. If true, Cat is an absolute nut job. If true, I have to wonder if at the very least he is reprimanded by Cumulus -- at worst, terminated.
2. My gut tells me it isn't true. It makes zero sense for Cat to engage in such behavior. However, people do whacky shit. Kevin Durant, one of the best, most successful basketball players in the history of the game has been caught multiple times using burner accounts to battle nobody, randos who deigned to criticize him. Makes zero sense, but there he is doing it. So I'll never say "never."
3. If I missed it, someone please tell me otherwise and point out where I might find the hard evidence that it is Cat. What I read merely asserted it was. Assertions made by someone with a handle who evidently runs Ticket reddit in some capacity that are based on assertions by mods. I'm not saying they're untrue, but I read/saw nothing that supported these claims.
4. If I'm the individuals making these very public and frankly very damning claims that call into question Cat's personal and professional reputations. I would post up the hard supporting evidence ASAP. As in yesterday. Else, you might have some serious legal issues coming your way, hard and fast and for real. Anonymity only goes so far. Highly doubt reddit's parent company, Advance Publications, is going to want to deal with such a thing, much less protect a few dudes running a subreddit focused on a sports talk radio station in Dallas. Maybe I'm wrong. But at least it's food for thought.
5. But why would anyone make up such an outlandish story? Like Cat doing such a thing, it makes zero sense. Also. like Kevin Durant and his burner accounts, it makes zero sense, and yet he does it.
The whole thing, whatever the truth may be, is off the charts bonkers.
1. If it wasn’t Cat then who would be added with zero Reddit history and their first actions be removing Grubes and Jake from the directory? And then search out a KT comment that wasn’t negative towards the station and delete that? KT has been gone for 13 years but the person seeked him out immediately.
Delete2. TC said he’s been reached out to by former coworkers that he hadn’t talked to in a long time which means the ticket staff is talking and concerned about it.
3. The mod that gave access to the supposed Cat account deleted his entire Reddit profile so no one can contact that person to verify any of that.
All said it’s circumstantial but there’s smoke of someone from the station having a hand in it.
It’s 100% legit. The person who gave up their mod credentials on r/theticket posted a snapshot of the message they sent to the remaining mod (who apparently hadn’t been around in years) over on a Discord server. Discord is a social application that is much easier to use than a freaking Blogspot comment section from 2006 when it comes to having a conversation. 😂 But, I digress.
DeleteThe message from the old mod specifically said the new mod accounts they added were for Cat and station interns. The old mod deleted their Reddit account because of the shit they had already been taking from sub members for years. Hence their reason for giving up their mod credentials. They (old mod) had been trying for a while to pass the baton to a non-Ticket individual but had no takers.
I say it's bull until homie produces proof..cannot fathom an award winning pd in a major market gives a flip what some dorks on reddit says..what a strange time for Dallas area happenings..am I right guys
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DeleteScene.
DeleteRegarding <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/theticket/comments/1mfev5b/state_of_the_sub/>this Reddit post</a>. I totally believe u/bkharmony that Jeff Catlin is trying to install an intern as a moderator on r/theticket.
ReplyDeleteCatlin is just acting like every other micro-managing corporate dweeb who is "laser focused on promoting The Ticket brand" or whatever corporate speak they are spewing at the time. That is what guys like him do.
That's not what guys like him do. Quite the opposite, in fact. None of this is believable. I too say you never know/people do crazy things. But where's the hard evidence?
DeleteI was at the last 2 Catlin AMAs. In both he was asked about social sites like Reddit, and both times he said he doesn’t follow it, it’s too negative and doesn’t correlate to the reality they see (ratings), but that he does have a few people who occasionally update him.
ReplyDeleteI personally find it hard to believe that a Marconi winning PD is going to bother to with a Reddit sub forum. The Ticket was atop the ratings last month (again) and is the top billing station in the market. The Reddit hot take that the station sucks, it’s failing, etc, just doesn’t correspond to objective reality, ratings and revenue.
And the current Reddit state of mind, “they’re going to need to fire Cat over this” is ludicrous. He’s the PD of the most successful station of all cumulus stations. He’s not getting fired over a reddit rumor.
C
If you’ve ever had email correspondence with Jeff Catlin you would know that this claim is absolutely true.
ReplyDeleteWhat was your email to him?
DeleteAnother lying, obsessed fanatic who believes they're running a psyops mission for TDZ. You'll notice in the comments for that wholly unsubstantiated claim, they almost immediately turn into an en masse shilling for TDZ. The Hive is real. Those "Boys" really have done a number on all you fools.
DeleteHi cat
DeleteSorry, this isn't reddit. That win't work. Plus, it's lazy and the tell tale sign of a 4th rate mind. Try again.
DeleteGRB = Jake.
DeleteI haven’t had email conversations with him, but I’ll tell you this- the ones I see recapped on Reddit almost all fall into the category I mentioned above. Hot takes that don’t correspond to reality.
ReplyDeleteI’ll give you an example. There’s massive consternation on Reddit about “wasting” a segment on the 640a replay. Consternation how listeners have heard it the day before, heard it on the top 10, etc..
The problem? TSL tells them how long the average Neilsen PPM metered listener listens for. Ratings data tells them that are basically zero listeners who listen at 840a AND at 640a the next day. The 6am hour listeners are different than the 7am listeners, both are different than the 8am listeners. The average Reddit user is not the average ticket listener.
C
And I’ll give you an example from my life. One of my first sales jobs in radio, when I was but a child, was for an oldies station. My biggest account was an avid listener. His complaint was we played the same songs too often. I listened to his complaints, and talked to the PD (RIP Chuck). Going back to the guy that was responsible for probably 50% of my paycheck at that time and trying to explain why he was wrong was a tough sell. But my client, who listened for 10-12 hours a day wasn’t a typical listener. The PDs point was he programs for the average listener, not the extreme. It’s every programmers dilemma, do you program for the average listener that listens 10 hours a week, or the reddit user that listens 10 hours a day.
ReplyDeleteC
People coming out of the weeds to claim that Catlin would never do this point to... this is exactly what he is doing.
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DeleteHi cat
DeleteHi Jake.
DeleteGRB = Jake
DeleteThe moment any actual evidence, much less a smoking gun, is presented, I'll take this accusation seriously. To say someone is a shill, a boot licker, or is falling for Cat's machinations because they find the claim implausible is a reflection on that person's willingness to believe the worst in others with no proof other than anonymous claims based on anonymous sources. All things being equal, this assertion seems laughable. In my mind it remains as such unless, again, proof or genuine evidence is produced. If ever either of those are revealed, I will absolutely be open minded to this claim.
ReplyDelete“The intern” = Welpton, btw.
ReplyDeleteYou people get nuttier, more pathetic by the moment.
DeleteYep
DeleteThe latest It’s Just Banter Patreon episode is largely about this Cat move. So far my favorite revelations are that My Ticket Confession once had info from an email that was critical of TC’s work, sent by Cat to only TC and Jake. Very obviously, Cat shared the email with “The Plainsman.” Given how that blog was so sure that the dumb zone would lose their case and was on Cumulus’ side, this is not surprising at all. I’m wondering how many comments that were pro-cumulus anti-TDZ were Cat and his minions.
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DeleteLet me point out one thing. TDZ didn’t win their case. Neither did Cumulus. They settled because it dragged out long enough to get Cumulus a couple of ratings books that showed zero ratings drop off from THZ to TSS.
DeleteIm convinced they settled because cumulus saw there’s a limited number of people willing to pay for content, and those numbers at the time weren’t enough to hurt their ratings. And ratings drive revenue.
C
C minus, you’re convinced that’s why they settled? Not that Cat acted like a douche and didn’t know what the Fan was, then said the DZ was trying to lure away listeners and his proof was emails he received BEFORE the podcast was announced? They quickly settled after his testimony and after Dan made them look foolish in the way only he can. And when they settled, they gave TDZ everything they wanted, so yeah, one could view that as a loss.
DeleteSo Cat looking like a fool in court was just a bonus?
DeleteHey Cat, I’ve been listening to the ticket since I was 13. My dad was a day 1 P1. I’ve enjoyed the ticket for well more than half my life. Thanks to your leadership, I am more productive, more present in my daily life, and have been able to explore new hobbies and topics. Had you not done an amazing job at completely ruining the station that I loved, I wouldn’t have so much extra time to expand my horizons in life.
ReplyDeleteYour horrendous programming decisions, willingness to lie under oath, comfort with fucking over so called friends and coworkers for the sake of a heartless corporation, and attempt to subversively take over a listener driven sub Reddit, have allowed me to feel good about never listening to the station again.
I wish you the best and hope you have an opportunity to retire very very soon.
They won, skippy. Cat won. Wins with each book. Wrong URL:
DeleteHi cat
DeleteHi TC.
DeleteI love it, C minus comes out of nowhere and starts spouting "TSL". We are all fools to think otherwise.
ReplyDeleteThank you Jake and TC.
Oh and thank you Justin Montemayor for the "jet pack" bathroom humor
DeleteOut of nowhere? I’ve been commenting here for years under the same name. And for years I’ve harped on the same things. One of them being that this subjective “this thing sucks” mentality that shows up here and is pervasive in Reddit is out of touch with the reality that people like Bennett and Catlin see every day.
DeleteLet’s remember TT was in a great ratings groove and then the hang zone left. And the Ticket managed to stay in that groove for another 2 plus years. Is the sweet spot weaker than THZ? Maybe. Has it hurt their overall ratings, no.
C
And thank you for your courage. I'm not part of the "this thing sucks" crowd, but it appears that the fish is rotting from the head down.
DeleteMy Ticket Confession once had info from an email that was critical of TC’s work, sent by Cat to only TC and Jake. Very obviously, Cat shared the email with “The Plainsman.”
ReplyDeleteHow many people posting here are secret Cat “interns”?
ReplyDelete1 "intern" = Welpton
Delete1 Cat
Hey man thanks for the note, I think
ReplyDeleteTheir time off in July over summer vacations has been suspicious? Ok. What about the Musers, Corby, Bob and Dave’s? Also Donovan is about to be off too
I DO agree with you on this—Dan and Jake are an integral part of the station.
Have a good day man
I’d guess this email is from the limbo period where no one knew what the deal was because Dan and Jake were negotiating with Cumulus Corporate and not with Bennett or Catlin. Snarky, but from what’s been said, I think Catlin, the rest of the hosts, etc all thought a deal would get done. And I’d think they’d a catch 22, he gets slammed if he doesn’t answer emails, gets slammed if he does answer with what he knew at the time.
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Hey thank for the note
ReplyDeleteI love your email---you write it like you gathered ALL
Ticket listeners, put it to a vote and they elected you president and spokesperson! Hahaha
Dan and Jake are out on vacation. It’s summer, it’s July. Training Camp/Football season is about 2 ½2 weeks away. This is not new or news. You should know this as president/spokesperson for all Ticket listeners.
Also PS- I am not in sales, never have been never will
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DeleteSo what did the email he was responding to say? Because it sounds like it was “the ticket listeners want Dan and Jake”, if do, yeah who elected that guy as ticket spokesperson? I think there a difference in emailing a personal opinion and speaking ex cathedra. But your mileage may vary.
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I emailed him once, maybe a decade ago. I asked why they had stopped sending out text alerts for big-name interviews. He said something like “I’ll put Danny on a PIP to make sure it gets fixed. Is that ok with you?”
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ReplyDeleteFormer employee turned client as Chris Chris says,
multiple 7 figs with Cumulus.
Was there when Dan started.
Perhaps it’s time to pull back curtain on Dan and Cat.
Thank you for your courage. Roger.
DeleteJeff banned Tony from going to Oxnard to perform his engineering duties because Tony got on the air at 4am at a Campound after all of the on-air talent urged him to do it so they could broadcast all night until The Musers started. Jeff believed that Tier 3 and below employees should not be heard on air
ReplyDeleteTony is a weirdo loser that should have known his place
DeleteChildren should be neither seen nor heard
DeleteVery curious if the plainsman did in fact publicly publish notes from an internal memo that only transpired between Jake, TC, and Cat.
ReplyDeleteSeems very bad .
From listening to the latest It's Just Banter podcast with TC and Jake, they laid out the facts:
Delete1) Jeff Catlin sent an email to TC and copied Jake (as he was the producer of Bad Radio at the time) regarding notes on TC's performance. No one else was on the email chain.
2) TC then goes to My Ticket Confession and sees a discussion regarding himself, in which the Plainsman said in effect, "I am hearing that TC's performance will be dealt with shortly". The only way the Plainsman would have known that because Cat forwarded that email to him, clearly an HR violation.
3) TC then escalated it to HR saying that a private email regarding his performance got sent outside the organization. TC reached out the Plainsman to get his help in proving that Catlin had forwarded the email to him but got no response. Catlin then lies to Cumulus HR, saying he did not forward it. Nothing ends up happening because The Plainsman didn't want to help TC by showing the forwarded email because he didn't want to jeopardize his relationship with Cat. However, Cat did offer a de-facto apology to TC later on and treated him better.
All that being said, all the circumstantial evidence leads to this being a real incident.
Surprised this hasn't been deleted given this site is the Fox News/Newsmax/AON of The Ticket & the terrible PD
DeleteNo doubt that Cat supporters are out and about
DeletePlainsman never posted anything like that. In fact, he has always defended TC. MTC commenters, well that's another story. Beginning to think TC is behind all this. Keep an eye out. What right now seems to be a very bad optic for one Jeff Caitlin, might end up being the downfall of TC and possibly others. If you're gonna come hard at people you better have your ducks in a row, facts straight, and you better damn well be telling the truth.
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DeleteTricky, none of that is circumstantial evidence. It's more hearsay and assertions. Circumstantial evidence would be the publication of a genuine enail or the likes. The moment that happens, game on. Until or if that ever happens, right now all of this is a defamation case in the making.
Delete"I am hearing that TC's performance will be dealt with shortly"
Delete-would that pertain to his horrible Ticker reads, constant coughing on air, maybe just pretty bad on-air in general?
I don't think Top Secret memo's needed to be floating around to deduce that Ragonks performance was being looked into by the stations PD.
Ed, TC and Jake worked under Cat for a very long time. They were there long enough to see the internal politics at the station and how Cat treated Tier 1 staff differently than Tiers 2-4. Jake also said in the episode he had evidence of a few more incidents Cat did that could get him fired.
DeleteWhenever is it a case of management versus employees, I will more often than not, give the employees the benefit of the doubt. Why would TC and Jake lie about this? Why would they open themselves to a possible defamation suit unless this was true? Why are people here so pro-Jeff Catlin and are having a hard time processing that he likely did all this? I love the station too but come on guys. Just my two cents.
Tricky, I hear you. I too most always take the employees' side by default until proven otherwise. But none of that, including Jake's claim regarding emails/evidence means squat until it's shown. You raise the very sane question I did: Why would any of them make such claims if untrue? Moreover, why would Cat engage in such behavior (talking here about the reddit stuff)? Neither makes sense, neither is rational. But like I said in a previous comment, people do irrational, stupid things.. My example was Kevin Durant and his burner accounts. I could have also used Favre and his dick pics and many other examples. Not sure if you were addressing me or not, but asking legit questions and offering reasonable analyses is not tantamount to defending Cat. It's having a desire to know the truth, no matter where it leads. This isn't aimed at you, but I do my best to draw conclusions and ascertain the truth as best I can by way of factual evidence. And I also try my best not to get caught up in emotional groundswells.Let the facts bear out, From there the truth will out.
DeletePeace to you, brother.
Gerry gets it. 🙃
DeleteA very long time? Jake maybe, but TC is a blip of incompetence on the ticket history radar.
DeleteAnd Catlin treats hosts differently than support staff? Shocking I say!!! Why would he treat hosts who draw an audience different than ticker guys, guys that KNTU kick out at least half a dozen of a year.
The newest ticker guy, whoever that is, was better on his first day than TC ever was.
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methinks jakey poo has screwed his own poochie coochie. poor dan. oh well. it was a kinda decent run while it lasted.
DeleteEd, all good points. Without hard evidence, this comes down to trusting the indirect evidence that has been put forward and also trusting the characters of the people proposing it. Who is one going to believe - TC, Jake and the reddit moderator or Jeff Catlin/Peter Welpton? I agree with your overall point though, in that, pursuing hard facts and evidence is critical to uncovering the truth, not only in local stuff like this but on the national stage. Guess we shall see. Thanks man.
DeleteC Minus - Yes, all directors treat staff at various positions differently. However, at a base level, management has to treat staff respectfully. That is the crux of what TC and other support staff are saying in that Cat was largely an asshole to these guys.
DeleteI hear you, Tricky. I would say that I know none if these parties. Jake and TC are entertainers. Cat is a suit. The others involved are anonymous. What I do know is this: TC has for years been very public about his dislike for Cat in particular and The Ticket in general. His reddit ama alone is legendary. That points toward (points, not definitely is) bias. Jake split in a very public and contentious way with Cumulus, and has made public unflattering remarks about Cat. This too could be construed to show bias. Cat is the former direct supervisor of both TC and Jake, was intimately involved with the aforementioned contentious departure and subsequent court case involving Jake AND had a by all appearances unfriendly work and personal relationship with TC. That also can be viewed as potential bias. Then there's the reddit aspect. Ticket teddit is often more anti than pro Ticket. Rightly or not, it is now perceived as more of a DZ proxy site than an actual Ticket fan page. That too can be taken into account.
DeleteIn short, there's a lot of digs in this hunt.
Take care, man.
*dogs*
DeleteThis is pure insanity. Plainsman, either put this thing out of its misery or take control and go the verified members only route.
ReplyDeleteWhy are some of you so rabidly invested? All these claims of inside knowledge, former employee status, and more. For what? What is the end game? What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Are trying to impress a certain party, and if so, who and why? All this over a PD at a radio station who takes orders from on high. This isn't passion, it's pathology. It's a "grassroots movement" conceived and executed by a small group of anonymous individuals coalescing around a claim by an anonymous source who in turn is baing their claim on an anonymous source. Furthermore, no evidence backing this claim has yet surfaced.
Want to get real with this, then cone forward both with your identities and most importantly, with hard evidence.
I am in no way associated with the station. I am merely asking what I think are legitimate questions and making what I believe to be legitimate observations about some pretty flippin serious accusations that if true could greatly damage another's reputation and even cost them their career. Such things are not a game. So if the evidence is out there show it. Real evidence, replete with actual time/date stamps and all the rest.
If that evidence exists, and if Cat dud engage in such behavior, then shame on him and whatever the fallout is, so be it. If it doesn't, shame on all of you, and pray no one (much less a band of pixelated pitchfork wielding zealots) ever unjustly and in a cloaked cowardly fashion comes after you.
Duly noted.
DeleteYou folks are nuts! Dude running the reddit site has gone off the rails. Now taunting Cat. Saying all this is mere opinion. Can't help what other people think and say. Cat can't sue him. Wild stuff! Y'all need to quit with the microdosing or something! lDamn!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what you are "microdosing". u/bkharmony has updated his post to say that Catlin is trying to cover his tracks. I think we know where to file your opinions.
DeleteWhere was the update? I didn’t see it
DeleteThat means nothing bro! Dhow me the money! Publish the emails! I know where to file your opinions bro. Boot licker bro! Thems some nasty ass boots bro!
DeleteHe responded in the reddit thread here
DeleteI saw it. Show the goods. Stop dancing.
DeleteNo show bc they're only words btwn he and the mods who nade the og accusations. That ain't the goods my dude.
DeletePutting all of it aside, what puzzles me is why Jake and to a lesser extent TC have stepped into any of it. What is there to gain? If anything, they may have put themselves in a bad spot. And for what, a subreddit that has nothing to do with them? Not getting it. Assuming it's all true, how is that their battle? The latest IJB is riveting for sure. But it might also be used against them as smoking gun evidence in a civil case.
ReplyDeleteDidn't you see people on reddit say they cancelled IJB, but just resubbed to listen to that episode. Why do you think they stepped into it?
DeleteIt's got nothing to do with them. Exactly in what way are they still associated with TT? All they've done us needlessly open the door to litigation.
DeleteLet me add as one who works in HR, HIPPA works both ways. It extends beyond a term of employment. A lot if people are unaware of that.
DeleteHIPPA!
Deletelololllllllll
I'm not aware of Jake or TC being employed as health care workers. Can you explain how "HIPPA" applies in any way here?
DeleteLet me add as one who does not work in HR but understands HIPPA, you, Fangoria, win the Worst Troll of the Day award. Congrats, dummy!
DeleteUnderstands but doesn't even know the correct acronym, huh?
DeletePlainsman has time to delete comments but no time to comment on publishing a private memo discussing employee performance
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see him address this. He's been called out. He also was/is a lawyer. Ivy leaguer at that.
DeleteI too am curious to if Plainsman responds. And if so, how. I believe Eagles is correct in saying Plainsman was or is still a lawyer. Ditto re an Ivy League education. That he was/is a lawyer is pretty interesting. My guess, and that's all it is, is he will not address the claim(s). He won't because he is, as they say in the legal profession, exploring options. Even acknowledging, much less speaking to, any accusation or claim could be injurious to any avenues he might wish to pursue. Hence, I'd be surprised if we see anything from him.
ReplyDeleteRegardless of the verity of any of these claims, regardless of who's side you're on, I must admit this is a most fascinating turn of events that might trigger an avalanche. One that could affect, this site and Plainsman personally, the reddit site and its admin and mods, and Cat's personal and professional career. Not to mention whoever it is (if there is) supposedly in cahoots with Cat. Ball do crazy things.
Forgot to add Jake and TC, who have joined in the fun. Could Jake have somehow, unknowingly violated terms of their settlement with Cumulus? Are both open to defamation suits? Dunno. But it's another piece of this steaming hot pie.
DeleteFor fuck's sake what a bunch of unhinged nerds in the thrall of group psychosis.
ReplyDeleteIT'S A FUCKING RADIO STATION. IT'S A FUCKING PD FROM A RADIO STATION. IT'S A BUNCH OF FUCKING PEOPLE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHO DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU PAST LISTENING, ATTENDING EVENTS, AND PAYING SUB FEES. THAT IS, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TAKING YOUR MONEY. ALL OF THEM. TWO SIDES / SAME COIN.
Bunch of suckers.
Finally. Someone who gets it. Truly gets it.
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