A home for those who love almost everything about The Ticket (1310 AM, 96.7 FM, Dallas-Fort Worth), and who would like to discuss -- respectfully and fondly -- their thoughts on how (and whether) to eliminate the "almost."
Sunday, November 23, 2014
If Jason Kellison Is at a Remote, Is His Brain Squirmin' Like a Toad?
Why should we care if Russ beats the HL or if the Fan is rising in the ratings? When a great many of us started listening to the ticket they weren't number 1. I'm not going to stop listening to shows I like because someone else gets ratings. Its a line of posting I've never been able to understand the point of in my long time lurking here.
Also clever title Pman it took me a minute to figure out where your mind had gone.
Not really. Makes no difference to my listening habits. I'd have no idea what the ratings were and honestly could care less. It's really an annoying side to any media. I may like a TV show and don't care if 13.4 others are viewing. If it gets cancelled or renewed as a result of a 3 share or whatever the term is, I'll go somewhere else. It doesn't matter either when Corby tells us how many watch the Oscars vs. a rerun of Criminal Minds. So I give you a hearty Ragonk and bid you good day. I will drive through your suburbs, into your blues.
Does that count the ratings from the broadcast on 1190AM in the morning too? (as if any one can actually hear the station early in the morning)
Overall ratings or just a specific age group? Was it 12+ or just men 25-54? Those 12+ numbers can be a great thing but 13 year old boys don't buy cars, beer,or frequent many strip clubs.
So, uh, what was the reference to Justin M's misrepresenting his position on The Touchdown Brothers 8:40 bit this morning all about? Gordon referred back to it immediately after the bit, as well. As if to reinforce it, to highlight that part of the bit.
Justin, would you mind shedding some light on this?
Can you give us a link/source for your info? I can make up numbers as easily as the next person. Not saying you are, but it would go a long way credibility wise if you did. If not, then so far it's all just one dude or chick's word. I would think Barry Horn would've made note of this at least once over the past six months. So something seems amiss here. Perhaps a creative, Richie Whitt esque, reading of the ratings?
So please, a link.
I'm very interested in seeing the next book. Specifically, if whether THL still is losing certain hours to ESPN, and if The Musers hour was an anomaly or not.
Fake Justin has shown up here twice in the last hour or so. I'm trying to keep a close eye on things to delete as soon as possible. If you see someone purporting to post as a Ticket employee, beware.
It's a shame, because we do hear usefully from the Ticket guys from time to time.
I honestly have no clue what Gordo and George were referring to. If I truly made some comment like that it'd be easy to find because my air time is very limited haha. TBH I didn't know the Musers actually knew who I was so I especially found it funny.
Jub of the week = meh BAD Radio has so little content that they have to have an interview with someone nobody cares about. Don't normally listen to BAD thanks to the addition of TC & Jack but turned over while I was in the car. Very mediocre segment. #Ragonk
Only heard it once. That one sounded like George was a little puzzled as to what he was doing on the air as well.
It was okay, nothing not to like about it, but it did seem a bit unusual that BaD would choose to share broadcast time with a guy who already has pantloads of it.
Your Mom, I respectfully disagree with your BaD radio assessment. I think the entire program is genius from the always unique clever openings to their witty banter comingling race, sports, humor and life events into one cohesive nugget of great sportstalk. Nobody does it like BaD.
Triple respectfully disagree. BAD Radio is getting worse. I'm in for Homer Call but, other than that I don't listen anymore. I miss Gribble. He contributed. 1940s reporter guy was hillarious. "Skoal lip dip" and other stutters and stammers was always good for a laugh. Now we get Ragonk and his boyfriend. Not good.
Your Mom couldn't be more wrong. BaDD Radio has more content than any other show. They do the blowoff segments like THL, and they do hard sports talk like Norm. They can do what THEY can do, but THEY can't do what they do.
Ratings are used to set advertising rates. So ratings matter - to people in the business. They don't matter to the people who would rather listen to Dennis Prager.
I'm not sure who these guys are on The Ticket right now but, they have guys on there ripping The Mavs. It can't be the Hardline given that they kiss the ass of all the local sport teams lately. I'm surprised the snake isn't golf buddies with the white Lebron, Chandler Parsons, yet.
There sure is a nasty sort of undertone to some of the posts from about #20 or so forward. Not all, but some.
(real) Justin, thanks for checking in. I think what we have here is a case of the "old" Gordo seeping out. That is, Bully Gordo. The Gordo who will use others whom he deems weak (meaning they can't do anything to him, or so he thinks) as a comedic punch line or foil. Keep up the good work, brutha, and don't let Gordon "No, I swear, I've never heard of the Mr. Show" Keith ruffle your feathers. Not that he has, but just saying...
This one is for you more radio industry savvy folks: When The Ticket (TT) began the Cowboys were the best team in the NFL. TT's early days consisted of, excepting a few bits by The Musers and a few that Gordon did for THL, fairly straight ahead, mainstream sports talk. The so-called "guy talk" was kept to a minimum. It mostly revolved around THL from time to time reminiscing about the old upper Greenville Ave. bar scene (and this was a very rare subject) and DnM waxing about childhood/young adult sports moments of importance to them.
It wasn't until the Cowboys' dominance began to peter out that TT started winning certain ratings hours. And it wasn't until sometime in '98-'99 that TT began to become a true force that all other stations had to begrudgingly admit to being such a force. Furthermore it wasn't until the Cowboys settled into mediocrity (long before either fans or the local media were willing to admit) that TT became a juggernaut.
It seems like you can draw a parallel between the fall of the Cowboys (THE sports team of DFW-like it or not, it's the truth) and the rise of TT. My line of thought goes as follows: With the number one sports team in the DFW (and it's not even close) in a steady and long term decline, Joe Sports Fan didn't have the stomach for continuous Cowboy talk and analysis. A new station with fresh voices comes along, begins to see this, takes their already fresh(er) approach to sports talk radio and begins to discuss everyday, workaday matters as much and at times even more than the area's #1 team. It strikes a note with listeners who can no longer take hearing the same voices they've always heard talking about the team that is no longer fun to talk about. It takes off, like gangbusters and changes the landscape.
Other stations have tried it but it doesn't have the same impact. TT was the first and is the best at it. But now something is changing. The area's #1 team looks to be on the upswing, and for perhaps the next several years if not longer. Joe Sports Fan is now beginning to want his old sports talk back. Not exactly the same, but now with SOME "guy talk." He wants to hear actual, statistical, and even some narrative analysis with some "that's what she said / and so's your mother" peppered in when apropos. He turns on TT. THL, specifically. He hears a senior citizen talking about "doo doo as the football" and about music the way in which your average college sophomore would. He also hears two middle aged men doing the same thing. So he flips on the morning show. There he hears a bar stool psychologist/philosopher/theologian spout out platitudes and specious claims. Then he puts on, say, Cowlishaw and Mosley this afternoon. He gets thoughtful analysis, a beat writer on from Philly (the newly resurgent #1 team's upcoming opponent in an all important game), and hears some good natured ribbing and jokes, the kind you actually hear at work/amongst friends.
If last ratings book wasn't an anomaly, I think I might know why.
So tell me radio insiders...could a resurgent, long term upswing, Cowboys team spell the end of TT rein, or at least force some much and long needed changes?
I should also add to my far too long spiel that, BaD aside, the analysis for the #1 team by the shows is far behind the curve where Joe Sports Fan's sports intelligence is concerned. TT, sans BaD, is operating on an outmoded model. Yes, that includes Norm. He tries, mightily. to keep up. He can't. He's far too dependent upon Vegas for his analysis.
Funny, Homer Call is the only segment on BaDD Radio that causes me to punch out. 100% agree with those who think BaDD is the best show on the station. Jake is great and TC is tolerable; the idea that TC ruins the entire show is absurd...
The TC thing isn't absurd, it's sad. I really liked BaDD, but TC makes it nearly unlistenable to me. I never really got into Norm's show, so I can't comment on TC's input there, but there's too many cooks in the kitchen now on BaDD. I don't mind Jake chiming in and he's more tactful at it, but it seems that TC talks whenever he sees fit, which is way too often. It's also ridiculous that he can hardly get through a ticker (his main responsibility) without stumbling, although the phenomenon that has become of ragonk is pretty awesome.
601: I like theories and I liked the second part of yours.
However, I recall reading a couple of different places that The Ticket was a ratings success almost from its inception. In fact, I think once I did successfully research this and discovered that it was number one in the pertinent demo from its first year of operation. Don't have time to chase the data down right now. Maybe someone else can.
But it seems to me like something's happening. I need to mull it over. But first, before anything else happens, please see next post.
Thanks for the feedback, Pman. I'm fairly sure that they weren't #1 in key demos, or any demo, until 2-3 (more towards the 3) years into it. It was the "Little Ticket" bunker mentality (between the hosts and the hosts and listeners) that held it together in those first couple or so years. TT came close to being shuttered on more than one occasion during its toddler stage. Please see that rather cruddy Ticket book that came out several years ago (I forget its title). Rhyner and the gang say as much. BUT. I could be totally wrong.
What's this next post? I take it you're about to put something up?
For the life of me I can't see how T. freakin' C. makes such an impression on some of your lives that you're no longer able to listen to your favorite show. Asinine. Can't believe T.C., the Ticker guy, has so much power.
As long as you keep giving it to him, we does. T.C. wins, you (haters) lose.
I really don't think of myself as a hater and I don't think I'm giving him any power, he just happens to annoy me and lessens my BaDD experience. And he's not just a "ticker guy", he's on air more than any other "ticker guy" on other shifts. It's just my opinion, don't let it effect the life of you. We're all black friends.
Btw, if you don't like Jake and TC, do what I do and don't listen. BaD used to be my favorite show years ago, but now they're in 3rd behind those that muse and THL.
They've been doing Jub of the Week for at least 3 months.
I can't believe people actually listen to Cowlishaw and Mosley.
ESPN Radio wasn't a competitor until the early 2000s, and Live 105.3 switched to The Fan in the late 2000s. It's pretty amazing TT has gone all this time and have never been beaten in a ratings book.
Musers are starting in on their usual defense of Romo. My eyes just glazed over and I fell out of my chair. We get it! All The Ticket guys love Romo. Can we please move on?
Only if sweet memories die.
ReplyDeleteExcellent moniker, Ragonk. We're off to a good start.
ReplyDeleteWhat does that mean? Very GIML of you, Pman.
ReplyDeleteAfter that 30 seconds of dead air from the remote Friday afternoon I'm sure it was something more like panic.
ReplyDeleteRah-lett
ReplyDelete453, that is very hurtful to Your sensitive Plainsman.
ReplyDeleteTC is so eager to jump on air at any moment, he ruined a potential great drop from Norm.
ReplyDeleteFucking stay off air, TC.
Caller Don (the Mark Sanchez homer) on with Norm -- worst or best caller of all time? I can't decide.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite point he made was that Mark Sanchez didn't get a starting QB offer because other teams didn't have time to do so.
I enjoyed that call but was waiting for Norm to go off on him, postgame style.
ReplyDeleteIn his old days at KLIF he would get two or three of those a week when they show was more caller driven.
Big fan of killer. Would love more Killer and less Ragonk & Jake.
ReplyDeleteaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Russ beats the Hardline for #1 for the 6th straight month. and this time it wasn't close.
ReplyDeleteWhy should we care if Russ beats the HL or if the Fan is rising in the ratings? When a great many of us started listening to the ticket they weren't number 1. I'm not going to stop listening to shows I like because someone else gets ratings. Its a line of posting I've never been able to understand the point of in my long time lurking here.
ReplyDeleteAlso clever title Pman it took me a minute to figure out where your mind had gone.
Ragonk!
ReplyDeleteI don't think you'll stop listening, just thought you should know. Awareness is a good thing, yes?
ReplyDeleteNot really. Makes no difference to my listening habits. I'd have no idea what the ratings were and honestly could care less. It's really an annoying side to any media. I may like a TV show and don't care if 13.4 others are viewing. If it gets cancelled or renewed as a result of a 3 share or whatever the term is, I'll go somewhere else. It doesn't matter either when Corby tells us how many watch the Oscars vs. a rerun of Criminal Minds. So I give you a hearty Ragonk and bid you good day. I will drive through your suburbs, into your blues.
ReplyDeleteOne of the best WTDS ever. Do yourself a favor and give it a download if you missed it.
ReplyDeleteGonk!
ReplyDeleteWhat was the big announcement by the Dancing with the Stars loving JVer on this past Friday's WTDS?
ReplyDeleteTony got tickets to the finale of DWTS
ReplyDeleteAnon 12:37
ReplyDeleteDoes that count the ratings from the broadcast on 1190AM in the morning too? (as if any one can actually hear the station early in the morning)
Overall ratings or just a specific age group? Was it 12+ or just men 25-54? Those 12+ numbers can be a great thing but 13 year old boys don't buy cars, beer,or frequent many strip clubs.
Awareness indeed.
Thanks, 7:11, 'preciatcha, pal.
ReplyDeleteSo, uh, what was the reference to Justin M's misrepresenting his position on The Touchdown Brothers 8:40 bit this morning all about? Gordon referred back to it immediately after the bit, as well. As if to reinforce it, to highlight that part of the bit.
ReplyDeleteJustin, would you mind shedding some light on this?
@Gopher
ReplyDeleteM-Fri 3p-7p
M25-54
The biggun...6 straight months.
what are the actual numbers for the last 6 months?
ReplyDelete6.1/5.4
ReplyDelete6.2/5.3
6.5/6.3
6.3/5.8
5.6/5.2
6.9/4.8
'preciate ya pal
ReplyDeleteCan you give us a link/source for your info? I can make up numbers as easily as the next person. Not saying you are, but it would go a long way credibility wise if you did. If not, then so far it's all just one dude or chick's word. I would think Barry Horn would've made note of this at least once over the past six months. So something seems amiss here. Perhaps a creative, Richie Whitt esque, reading of the ratings?
ReplyDeleteSo please, a link.
I'm very interested in seeing the next book. Specifically, if whether THL still is losing certain hours to ESPN, and if The Musers hour was an anomaly or not.
Another Justin Montamoyer making claims to being more than he is at the station reference today. This time by a Tweeter to Norm's Birdhouse.
ReplyDeleteWhat gives with this?
Barry Horn doesn't mention Russ Martin because Martin isn't sports.
ReplyDeleteShocking ratings news soon, just not from me.
Not Anybody, Not Everybody, Not All of the Above
Fake Justin has shown up here twice in the last hour or so. I'm trying to keep a close eye on things to delete as soon as possible. If you see someone purporting to post as a Ticket employee, beware.
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame, because we do hear usefully from the Ticket guys from time to time.
What do you all make of the "Jub of the Week" segment on BaD radio? Kind of a curious move.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you all make of the "Jub of the Week" segment on BaD radio? Kind of a curious move.
ReplyDeleteI'm having Gordon fired shortly after WE Day.
ReplyDeleteI honestly have no clue what Gordo and George were referring to. If I truly made some comment like that it'd be easy to find because my air time is very limited haha. TBH I didn't know the Musers actually knew who I was so I especially found it funny.
ReplyDeleteJub of the week = meh
ReplyDeleteBAD Radio has so little content that they have to have an interview with someone nobody cares about.
Don't normally listen to BAD thanks to the addition of TC & Jack but turned over while I was in the car. Very mediocre segment.
#Ragonk
I was puzzled by Jub of the week as well.
ReplyDeleteOnly heard it once. That one sounded like George was a little puzzled as to what he was doing on the air as well.
It was okay, nothing not to like about it, but it did seem a bit unusual that BaD would choose to share broadcast time with a guy who already has pantloads of it.
Your Mom,
ReplyDeleteI respectfully disagree with your BaD radio assessment. I think the entire program is genius from the always unique clever openings to their witty banter comingling race, sports, humor and life events into one cohesive nugget of great sportstalk. Nobody does it like BaD.
Triple respectfully disagree. BAD Radio is getting worse. I'm in for Homer Call but, other than that I don't listen anymore. I miss Gribble. He contributed. 1940s reporter guy was hillarious. "Skoal lip dip" and other stutters and stammers was always good for a laugh. Now we get Ragonk and his boyfriend. Not good.
ReplyDeleteYour Mom couldn't be more wrong. BaDD Radio has more content than any other show. They do the blowoff segments like THL, and they do hard sports talk like Norm. They can do what THEY can do, but THEY can't do what they do.
ReplyDeleteBaDD Radio is still the best show on The Ticket.
Ratings are used to set advertising rates. So ratings matter - to people in the business. They don't matter to the people who would rather listen to Dennis Prager.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure who these guys are on The Ticket right now but, they have guys on there ripping The Mavs. It can't be the Hardline given that they kiss the ass of all the local sport teams lately. I'm surprised the snake isn't golf buddies with the white Lebron, Chandler Parsons, yet.
ReplyDeleteThere sure is a nasty sort of undertone to some of the posts from about #20 or so forward. Not all, but some.
ReplyDelete(real) Justin, thanks for checking in. I think what we have here is a case of the "old" Gordo seeping out. That is, Bully Gordo. The Gordo who will use others whom he deems weak (meaning they can't do anything to him, or so he thinks) as a comedic punch line or foil. Keep up the good work, brutha, and don't let Gordon "No, I swear, I've never heard of the Mr. Show" Keith ruffle your feathers. Not that he has, but just saying...
This one is for you more radio industry savvy folks: When The Ticket (TT) began the Cowboys were the best team in the NFL. TT's early days consisted of, excepting a few bits by The Musers and a few that Gordon did for THL, fairly straight ahead, mainstream sports talk. The so-called "guy talk" was kept to a minimum. It mostly revolved around THL from time to time reminiscing about the old upper Greenville Ave. bar scene (and this was a very rare subject) and DnM waxing about childhood/young adult sports moments of importance to them.
It wasn't until the Cowboys' dominance began to peter out that TT started winning certain ratings hours. And it wasn't until sometime in '98-'99 that TT began to become a true force that all other stations had to begrudgingly admit to being such a force. Furthermore it wasn't until the Cowboys settled into mediocrity (long before either fans or the local media were willing to admit) that TT became a juggernaut.
It seems like you can draw a parallel between the fall of the Cowboys (THE sports team of DFW-like it or not, it's the truth) and the rise of TT. My line of thought goes as follows: With the number one sports team in the DFW (and it's not even close) in a steady and long term decline, Joe Sports Fan didn't have the stomach for continuous Cowboy talk and analysis. A new station with fresh voices comes along, begins to see this, takes their already fresh(er) approach to sports talk radio and begins to discuss everyday, workaday matters as much and at times even more than the area's #1 team. It strikes a note with listeners who can no longer take hearing the same voices they've always heard talking about the team that is no longer fun to talk about. It takes off, like gangbusters and changes the landscape.
Other stations have tried it but it doesn't have the same impact. TT was the first and is the best at it. But now something is changing. The area's #1 team looks to be on the upswing, and for perhaps the next several years if not longer. Joe Sports Fan is now beginning to want his old sports talk back. Not exactly the same, but now with SOME "guy talk." He wants to hear actual, statistical, and even some narrative analysis with some "that's what she said / and so's your mother" peppered in when apropos. He turns on TT. THL, specifically. He hears a senior citizen talking about "doo doo as the football" and about music the way in which your average college sophomore would. He also hears two middle aged men doing the same thing. So he flips on the morning show. There he hears a bar stool psychologist/philosopher/theologian spout out platitudes and specious claims. Then he puts on, say, Cowlishaw and Mosley this afternoon. He gets thoughtful analysis, a beat writer on from Philly (the newly resurgent #1 team's upcoming opponent in an all important game), and hears some good natured ribbing and jokes, the kind you actually hear at work/amongst friends.
If last ratings book wasn't an anomaly, I think I might know why.
So tell me radio insiders...could a resurgent, long term upswing, Cowboys team spell the end of TT rein, or at least force some much and long needed changes?
I should also add to my far too long spiel that, BaD aside, the analysis for the #1 team by the shows is far behind the curve where Joe Sports Fan's sports intelligence is concerned. TT, sans BaD, is operating on an outmoded model. Yes, that includes Norm. He tries, mightily. to keep up. He can't. He's far too dependent upon Vegas for his analysis.
ReplyDeleteFunny, Homer Call is the only segment on BaDD Radio that causes me to punch out. 100% agree with those who think BaDD is the best show on the station. Jake is great and TC is tolerable; the idea that TC ruins the entire show is absurd...
ReplyDeleteThe TC thing isn't absurd, it's sad. I really liked BaDD, but TC makes it nearly unlistenable to me. I never really got into Norm's show, so I can't comment on TC's input there, but there's too many cooks in the kitchen now on BaDD. I don't mind Jake chiming in and he's more tactful at it, but it seems that TC talks whenever he sees fit, which is way too often. It's also ridiculous that he can hardly get through a ticker (his main responsibility) without stumbling, although the phenomenon that has become of ragonk is pretty awesome.
ReplyDeleteDid someone say too many cooks?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8
601: I like theories and I liked the second part of yours.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I recall reading a couple of different places that The Ticket was a ratings success almost from its inception. In fact, I think once I did successfully research this and discovered that it was number one in the pertinent demo from its first year of operation. Don't have time to chase the data down right now. Maybe someone else can.
But it seems to me like something's happening. I need to mull it over. But first, before anything else happens, please see next post.
Thanks for the feedback, Pman. I'm fairly sure that they weren't #1 in key demos, or any demo, until 2-3 (more towards the 3) years into it. It was the "Little Ticket" bunker mentality (between the hosts and the hosts and listeners) that held it together in those first couple or so years. TT came close to being shuttered on more than one occasion during its toddler stage. Please see that rather cruddy Ticket book that came out several years ago (I forget its title). Rhyner and the gang say as much. BUT. I could be totally wrong.
ReplyDeleteWhat's this next post? I take it you're about to put something up?
For the life of me I can't see how T. freakin' C. makes such an impression on some of your lives that you're no longer able to listen to your favorite show. Asinine. Can't believe T.C., the Ticker guy, has so much power.
ReplyDeleteAs long as you keep giving it to him, we does. T.C. wins, you (haters) lose.
I really don't think of myself as a hater and I don't think I'm giving him any power, he just happens to annoy me and lessens my BaDD experience. And he's not just a "ticker guy", he's on air more than any other "ticker guy" on other shifts. It's just my opinion, don't let it effect the life of you. We're all black friends.
ReplyDeleteI believe this is at least the 4th installment of the Jub of the week, so It's been going on for at least a month by probably a little bit longer.
ReplyDeleteBtw, if you don't like Jake and TC, do what I do and don't listen. BaD used to be my favorite show years ago, but now they're in 3rd behind those that muse and THL.
ReplyDeleteSean chimes in as much or more with the Musers than TC does with BaD.
ReplyDeleteThey've been doing Jub of the Week for at least 3 months.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe people actually listen to Cowlishaw and Mosley.
ESPN Radio wasn't a competitor until the early 2000s, and Live 105.3 switched to The Fan in the late 2000s. It's pretty amazing TT has gone all this time and have never been beaten in a ratings book.
Fine when Sean chimes in because he actually has something. TC has nothing. Has always had a bag and will continue to have a bag.
ReplyDeleteMusers are starting in on their usual defense of Romo. My eyes just glazed over and I fell out of my chair. We get it! All The Ticket guys love Romo. Can we please move on?
ReplyDeleteFootballballballballball.....
905, why are you listening to a sports station?
ReplyDeleteRomo now has a 111 rating, 2nd in the NFL. Cowboys 8-3. What the hell are you even talking about 9:05?
ReplyDeleteI know, probably the same troll we've been dealing with so I'm feeding him but Jesus Christ, you are a moron.
Jub of the Week pretty much replaced Gay/Not Gay
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