Tuesday, November 11, 2014

There's a Right Way to Confess, and Some of Y'alls Is Not It


A note of explanation:

If I delete a comment for any reason, I might also delete comments responding to that comment even though they themselves might not be offensive. That is, I'll take down the entire thread started by the deleted one. Otherwise, I get comments saying "hey, what got taken down that this guy is responding to?" Makes my head hurt and craps up the thread.

Now, I'll say this again, and if I have to issue these reminders too much more frequently I'll take this joint down and I ain't-a-bluffing.

If you are the kind Internet participant who believes it is helpful, funny, or persuasive to call someone a name or insult his intelligence, or generally act like a putz, ask yourself two questions before confessing:

(1) Is the point about which I have composed a comment (in the particular case from the last thread, whether T.C. went "postal" or reacted in some non-"postal" way) significant in the context of interesting Ticket issues? If and only if the answer to question one is "yes," go on to question (2):

(2)  Have I included gratuitous insults and demands that waste my time (because I'm going to be deleted) and that of anyone who reads it?

If (a) you reach question (2) and (b) the answer to question (2) is "no," then, and only then, hit the "Publish Your Comment" button.

Then, and only then, will I hear your Confession.

And before anyone accuses me of oversensitivity and a hair-trigger delete-button finger -- a fairly recent development, I should add, since this site has gotten a lot more popular in the last year -- please recall that there are lots of sites with standards a lot looser than this one that would welcome your patronage. If you're going to visit here, get used to mine. 

"Confess to The Plainsman in an appropriate tone, else I shall be forced to apply the soft pillows."

100 comments:

The Plainsman said...
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The Plainsman said...

See? No one is immune.

gunther said...

Seems to me it's just the one guy Pman, writing is similar, starting going back to Anonymous once his Name/URL trick was identified. Now he's back to making up names (last post as Regonk in previous thread). Anyway, my point is, I don't believe this is a widespread situation, just one insignificant little rick with a P. I've been able to ignore him but have no idea how many of his posts you've had to delete.

T4 In Rockwall said...

Haha

The Plainsman said...

Gunther: There is the one particularly scurrilous guy that you mention -- although with Google's help I'm on his trail as is The Ticket -- but I've taken down a fair number of just plain nasty ones lately from run-of-the-mill Anons who can't resist taking a dumb shot.

I'm hoping I don't have to require site registration to permit commenting, but the thought has crossed my mind.

Anonymous said...

Or you could go back to moderation for awhile. That seemed to clear the riff faff out for several months--even after you stopped moderating, as it's only been the last month or so since the jokers have returned.

money for nothing, chicks for free said...

Perhaps it's already been done, but if not, some Ph.D. student in sociology ought to do a study on the serial troll. What drives such an individual? OK, I can see if you get cheesed over a site or whatnot and you let off some steam, and perhaps go a bit overboard; take it a bit too far for a bit too long. I get that. I think it's fairly common. But most people either get bored with it, fast, or they get the bad juju out of their system and move on. Sadly, some, maybe many, do not.

Pman, please don't let one crapmeister ruin a long running, beautiful thing. Hell, even if it's a few crapmeisters, don't let the bad guys win.

Anyway, my two cents.

Anonymous said...

SHUT IT DOWN!!! LETS GO HOME!!!

bonus: part of my captcha was the word "process"

Anonymous Ron said...

I've noticed that Autoflex Leasing ads have crept into the morning presentation. Did the Musers part ways with D&M Leasing?

deezy said...

Plainsman,

If you're to the point of seriously considering taking the thing down, why not go ahead and start requiring registration? This is actually more than I've been championing for forever (just picking a name), but if it's that big of a problem then whatever you do, I would guess that your more faithful/responsible followers are going to stick around.

I don't think the site will suffer a bit, and this approach works pretty much everywhere. How about a vote?

The Plainsman said...

826: When I moderated, I started getting complaints about that. And the worst of the trollery started after that.

So the next step if I get tired enough of messing around with the rock-throwers is registration.

I don't really care how many hits I get or how many comments per thread. I don't make dime one off this site, same as when only Michael Gruber and one or two others even read what I was writing. If I'm having fun with it without it becoming a depressing chore, which is the usual case, I'll keep at it.

If not, gone.

Anonymous Ron said...

OK, I just heard a D&M ad. But have they always run Autoflex ads during the Musers?

The Plainsman said...

I don't want to require registration unless it's absolutely necessary. I guess I have the romantic view that this is a nice little site where like-minded Ticket listeners can gather 'round and swap stories, complaints, huzzahs, a little gossip now and then, and sometimes, under extreme provocation, speculation.

Registration wouldn't be much of a speed bump, I suppose. But I don't want to discourage the very occasional Confessor who wants to toss in his or her two cents' without a bunch of rigmarole.

But if some of our newer readers can't use their inside voices, then yeah -- everyone's going to have to have a name tag.

Scott said...

Well said Pman

Regonk said...

I vote for registration. I'm kind of growing weary of the nastyier tone lately as the site gains readers. I'd prefer a quiet, intimate chat over drinks than a noisy frat bar.

deezy said...

"A quiet, intimate chat over drinks..."

Agreed.

Whoa, my CAPTCHA just copped a serious attitude with me. Had to refresh five times - haven't done that in a while (from this location).

The Plainsman said...

Speaking of which, I should plan another Confest where I can put the plastic down and meet the Confessor.

I have had on my list to report on the inaugural Confest and will try to do that soon.

ecinocereusreichenbachii said...

This is cactus on a different comp.
I certainly hope you don't get to the point where you want to shut it down. I'd sure miss it.

Registration is fine by me. If comment deletion is more efficient that's great too.

Didja hear this morning on the musers that P1 is in the Grantland dictionary?
Something something internal dialogue of radio jargon. Yep,guilty. Ragonk.

Anonymous said...

Saw it yesterday, cactus.

http://grantland.com/features/grantland-dictionary-sportscasting-ambrose-bierce-nfl-mlb-nba/

Anonymous said...

Oops, wrong link...

http://www.reddit.com/r/theticket/comments/2m0a3c/the_little_ticket_got_a_shoutout_from_grantland/

Lucky Jim said...

If TC is out there and reading this blog, I would like to simply say that I was very young when I began my career. Don't let it get to you.

You are loved.

Shaggy said...

Gordon's blog used to load a page that simply said "You are loved" before displaying his content.

Just saying.

The Plainsman said...

I should make this a new topic, but want people to see this post for awhile. So here's a new topic:

I applaud Craig "Junior" "The Joonze" Miller for the strong stand he took this morning on the reinstatement of Josh Brent.

He was against it. Passionately, in that very dispassionate Joonzey way. If you can find it on UnTicket, give it a listen.

I would add only this: In addition to Brent not deserving this shot, he showed up fat. Months and months to show he belonged again, and he doesn't have enough respect for the team to stay in shape.

While this move has Jerry written all over it, and while the team is doing well, I've made my decision -- Jason Garrett is not a good head coach.

NOT Jerry said...

"...I've made my decision -- Jason Garrett is not a good head coach."

You've made it known you don't listen to BaDD Radio, so I assume you didn't hear the qualified (and verified!) sports talk about how Jason Garrett is about to be a very sought-after head coach after this season.

You may not think he's any good, but many NFL teams - who know better than you - certainly do.

Shaggy said...

So Chandler Parsons didn't respect his new team either? Carlisle called him fat before the season too.

It's just what coaches do.

Anonymous said...


Difference is, Shaggy, Parsons wasn't, isn't, actually fat. It was Rick's way of letting him know he's the coach, the boss, the decision maker. Brent, on the other hand, IS fat, out of shape, and has yet again shown he couldn't give a rip.

The Plainsman said...

Just so it's clear, I don't hear much BaD not because I don't like BaD -- I do and I've written about my generally positive feelings about the thing many times -- but because it is inconvenient unless I'm out in the Conestoga during the work day and the Philco is pulling in the signal.

Lucky Jim said...

For clarity's sake, I am not Gordon Keith. I wouldn't be surprised if he has read that which lends itself to my pseudonym, however.

Shaggy said...

All interior D-linemen in the NFL are fat. Pretty much anyone who's been out of football for as long as Brent has will not be in playing shape for quite awhile. I don't think you can judge his give-a-F by that.

Anonymous said...

Agree with Shaggy on both posts. "fat" is shorthand for "out of game shape." There's no way to get into game shape without playing. Especially for the big boys.

And yeah, Plainsman, I know it's nothing personal for you against BaDD. And to further expound (I got called away by a tyke and had to dash off my comment), The Red Robot is not my favorite coach, but I don't think it's fair to say he's a bad coach. In fact, given the crazy "management" structure of this organization, one could argue he's done an incredible job of making lemonade. Image what he could do without Jerruh in his jock every moment of every day (hint: look to Sean Payton for a glimpse).

Regardless, no matter how you slice it, Garrett is about to get paid.

512P1 said...

Am I the only one that does not hear the "rah" in ragonk?

I hear something much closer to "urkel" or "urgonk", than a distinctive "RAH-gonk" sound.

Shaggy said...

" one could argue he's done an incredible job of making lemonade"

milk milk lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

gunther said...

I'm with Junz on this one. Dude has had plenty of chances, 5 or 6. Not happy with Jerry for this but I could say that about 100 different things.

My take on Garrett: good dude, not a football coach. Screwed up the offense as a play-caller and too many game-day gaffes. Sure, he's saddled by Jerry but I have no confidence in him running a team. Seems an ok motivator, players seem to like him although do they respect him? After 20 missed curfew in London last Fri, I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

Well...I don't think anything cleared anything. I think you guys would consider me one of the riff raff and I've been here since late 2012. I've been accused of being the same person talking in different "voices" as well as accused of being the people in my signature line...just one of me, always has been.
-Not Spittle, Not Dawson, Not Richie

Anonymous said...

"My take on Garrett: good dude, not a football coach. Screwed up the offense as a play-caller and too many game-day gaffes. Sure, he's saddled by Jerry but I have no confidence in him running a team. Seems an ok motivator, players seem to like him although do they respect him? After 20 missed curfew in London last Fri, I doubt it."

I'm sorry, but this is the most regonkulous comment I've read here in a while. Let's do a little Sturmination...

"...not a football coach."

But he is. He has been for a long time and will continue to be, whether it's here or somewhere else. Lots of teams were interested in him at last contract time, and they will be next year, too. I love when armchair GMs think they know more about a coach than the rest of the league's top management. If I have to choose between the opinions of "gunther" and the management of the Baltimore Ravens and Atlanta Falcons, I think I'll go with the NFL guys.

"Screwed up the offense as a play-caller"

You mean the offense that was consistently ranked in the top 10 year after year? Offense wasn't the problem. Yeah, it got stale after a while, but it still put up numbers, and the fact is, he didn't have the players (e.g. O-line) to make it better, until recently.

"too many game-day gaffes."

Yeah, he made some bad calls. Guess what? Every coach does. Every one. Read a Boston paper and you'll find even the Sainted Belichick makes mistakes and gets ripped for them. Garrett hasn't committed any more than most.

"Sure, he's saddled by Jerry but I have no confidence in him running a team. Seems an ok motivator, players seem to like him although do they respect him?"

You have absolutely no idea what goes on in the locker room, so how can you speculate? Why speculate, for that matter.

"After 20 missed curfew in London last Fri, I doubt it."

This erroneous report was ripped to shreds by many, but Thee Ticket's Own Bob Sturm did a great job. I suggest you look into his take on it (spoiler: it was B.S.).

Anonymous said...

@3:09, I have been saying "urgkle," but my version clearly lost.

Anonymous said...

@-Not Spittle, Not Dawson, Not Richie

C'mon bro. No one cares who you are. Just make a solid comment. One that doesn't relate how insider you are and how dumb everyone else is. The schtick was old the first time you posted.

Today's 840 bit was pretty interesting. The swipe at "the late" Richie Whitt was unexpected. The one that floored me was the believing Greggo's shock therapy story.

Anonymous said...


If you don't want to be accused of being someone you aren't, let us know who you are. Problem solved. Or better yet, stop positioning yourself as someone of great importance and in the so-called know. You not only provoke speculation of your identity when you speak as some sort of authority who knows better than everyone else, but also you appear to delight in it. Why? Because you do it on a fairly regular basis.

-Not Alexander of Aphrodisias, Not Gerard of Cremona, Not David Malet Armstrong

Brad Gilbert said...

Agreed on ragonk. Sounds like ragurkle to me, but too late now - especially with Kid & the other shows embracing it & it's own website. It is a funny bit and I hope TC is privately embracing it while seeming upset on air for a bit.

Anonymous said...

If TC took some kind of legal action to get the ragonk website taken down, and I was his boss, I am pretty sure I would quietly usher him out the door in the next 6 months. That shows a certain kind of judgement that I don't think I can live with as an employer in a public medium.

deezy said...

@808

I think that TC should absolutely embrace the website, but as it uses his likeness (presumably without his permission) he as every legal right to pursue taking it down.

His employer reacting negatively to this would be retaliation, which could at the very least earn them some negative pub - at least in professional circles.

Just playing devil's advocate here - again, I think the guy should embrace it. This too shall pass.

deezy said...

"as" = "has". I should proofread more.

Anonymous said...

Grady Knee Blow

Anonymous said...

Deezy:

Putting appropriating TC's likeness aside for a moment, the website was clearly put up by a KTCK P1. A loyal listener and fan. Tc is a employer of KTCK. Whatever TC did appears to be more than a simple "cease and desist". KTCK is a very visible company and TC is to some extent a public representative of said company.

He may or may not have a legal right to pursue ragonk.com (that right might actually belong to KTCK). Regardless, as a very visible company, I doubt KTCK really wants its employees in legal disputes with fans in a very public way.

This isn't about a right to do something. This is about TC's judgment, which I think is pretty poor in this case.

Now maybe KCTK is behind this but I doubt it. It reinforces every negative thought people have against TC.

blergoyen said...

Can anyone "in-the-know" chime in and shed some light on the most dreaded and most coveted White Elephant slots? Or maybe which hosts want to avoid morning drive-time?

Anonymous said...

Dan and Corby for Morning Drive. that's all you need to know.

deezy said...

848, I was speaking hypothetically as I was unaware that TC had actually taken any action at this point (apparently I've missed something?) I wasn't attacking you (if you are also the 808 anon that I originally responded to), for what that's worth.

I agree that anything he might have done beyond "Hey, very funny, would you mind terribly taking it down now?" is probably excessive. At least as an opening move.

/speculation

Anonymous said...

Wait, wait wait.... what is this talk of TC filing a "cease & desist?" Maybe I'm not listening hard enough, but I've heard nothing about it. Before speculation gets to tribble level (a common ocurrence here), let's back up and get some facts going.

Anonymous said...

Ghost I to ragonk.com

Shaggy said...

The website was put up by a ticket employee, Austin Guttery.

Who says he's pursued shutting it down? The seized thing is obviously a joke.

Anonymous said...

I think one of the reasons Ragonk sounds wrong is that the emphasis is being put on the second syllable, which is not the way T.C. said it.

deezy said...

I agree - if this is agreement - it sounds more like "ruhkle" than "ragonk". How'd something gotten so wrong gain such a head of steam? "Ragonk" sounds more and more absurd as I play the drop back in my mind. ;)

Colorado P1 said...

Was surprised to see this on the Yahoo home page:

http://ferrall.radio.cbssports.com/2014/11/13/corby-davidson-if-irvin-was-playing-today-he-would-have-been-cut/

deezy said...
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deezy said...

I heard part of this on my way home from the store last night. Couldn't really tell that it was Corby at first. And the way Scott overlaughed at Corby's jokes...hoo boy.

Anonymous said...

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the actual sound is more like "urkel" or "rurgkl" than ragonk. Not sure how it got so messed up but I don't care. It's funny as heck and I love how much it's taken over the station the past week. T.C. hating it just makes it that much funnier.

Bart Reagor said...

Corky sounded stoned and disinterested last night. And possibly calling on a doo-doo phone.

Anonymous said...

Enough about TC already. Booooooringgggggg.

Anonymous said...

To be fair, even the hosts have been caught up in Ragonk Fever. They also make it known to all that T.C. doesn't see the humor in it, on any level. So what's a Confessor to do? I say "Ragonk!" I also say that one T.C. is seeing history repeat itself. He came back and thought being the prime target of being butt of jokes was in the past. Not so much. All of you T.C. haters will most likely get your wish in the near future. I'm sure he's actively looking for another job.

The bigger question is: Then what will you clowns do? Talk about him obsessively as if his ghost is still doing Tickers?

Gareth Corn said...

On the "store" page of ragonk.com, it talks about the "cease and desist" letter

http://www.ragonk.com/newstore.html

deezy said...

815, how quickly we forget the very subject of this particular thread. Calling us "clowns" will probably get you deleted (and me in response) and push the Plainsman one step closer to closing up shop.

Thank you for your contribution.

gunther said...

I don't understand why he's not owning it. Nothing but positive for him. Really, the only way this hurts him is if he reacts the way it's been purported that he has. I haven't heard his view, only know what some hosts have said and what I've read here.

cactusflinthead said...

gunther said...
I don't understand why he's not owning it.

Right there with you. TC should embrace this or at least resign himself to the fact that it exists. However as long as it raises his hackles it makes for great radio.


Anonymous said...

The mix between the Musers and the Sirois brothers along with T.C. was one of the funniest moments in a long time. Discussing Ragonk and Ragonk.com was hilarious. I cried laughed.

Not sure if they were joking or not but it sounds like Mike Sirois started Ragonk.com. He sure wasn't denying it.

debased said...

The image of a well at the bottom of the ragonk webpage is the logo for "The Well Creative Productions", which Cash Sirois is associated. And Sirois said the webpage cost $1.99 to purchase.

Bart Reagor said...

"I don't understand why he's not owning it. Nothing but positive for him."

T.C. is a person (note I didn't say "man") who cannot laugh at himself. He has some crazy idea he is above ridicule and frankly, he has a superiority complex.... which is BAFFLING.

I seem to recall Dan not liking the "Dan Alarm," but he quickly shut up, and it's faded away. As someone who has been ridiculed a lot, I can attest that's precisely how to handle these things.

T.C. is a fool, and shouldn't be employed by The Ticket.

And we should've known The Sirois were behind this. Those guys are something special, and I REALLY hope Ticket Management understands that.

Anonymous said...

TC SHOULD own this. It's the first thing he's been associated with that hasn't made me want to turn off the station.

Pre-Ragonk said...

Who does T.C. think he is - Expo?

Jiggity McDiggity said...

I for one am in full support of this "full court press" nutkick of one Thomas Charles. He was being way too melodramatic this morning, but he deserves it.

Anonymous said...

I was thinking the other day that it's been ages since Stu Seder has been on TSSat or Sun. Bob just intimated that he got out of the radio game. That bums me out. I'm a Stu P1. He's a year one employee. If anyone has some backstory to why he left, etc., it'd be much appreciated.

T.C. really is going about this in the most wrongheaded of ways. Embrace it, son.

deezy said...

Commercial return music just now:

"That's the way (ragonk, ragonk) I like it (ragonk, ragonk)"

Kinda funny - and it does sound more like ragonk to me now. How about that.

Colorado P1 said...

These guys are just too funny.

http://www.ragonk.com/

http://www.jeryjones.com/

Dang I hate it that I missed the Musers/Sirois mix this morning.

Anonymous said...

Knock-a-doches

Brad Gilbert said...

That is exactly what I thought. I wonder if the edited it, or was thatcher original drop they based the sound on?

Gopher said...

Just a thought on TC. If you are going to embrace the Napoleon Dynamite look/card, don't get butthurt when the nut kicking ensues.

Isn't today the last day to vote on the White Elephant pairings?

Get your shots in while you can.

Anonymous said...

I am generally sympathetic to T.C., but I just listened to "GBL: It Ain’t Easy Being Green(Man), and TC’s Vagina" on theunticket... Talk about getting a foreshadowing of things to come... Some not so pulled punches from Seabass, Grubes, Dan, and Donnie...

Anonymous said...

Ugh. I don't like the idea that I have to listen to IJB to complete my Ticket experience.

Anonymous said...

When one of the hosts of the flagship show of a heritage station (i.e., Corby and The Ticket) dubs you, on-air, on numerous occasions, an "old lesbian," this is the logical outcome.

Anonymous said...

I listened to some of the Shake Joint yesterday and does Sean Bass ever contribute anything?

He continually would interrupt Jake without offering any insightful commentary. Typically he would derail the point Jake was making.

What a frustrating listen.

Anonymous said...

I was out on TSJ after they spent an entire show mocking the Goose because he thought Dallas needed to run the ball more. Then, Seattle beats Denver in the SB, and Dallas enjoys great success this year running the ball. So, the Goose wasn't so stupid after all.

Anonymous said...

The problem with "The Goose" is that's all he has ever said. He has no insight other than "they need to run the ball more." He may be right, but there is a little more to football-ball than that. If he has anything else to offer, he hasn't done it yet.

Anonymous said...

Would someone please keep TC off Bad Radio please.

gunther said...

Does anyone know if the Unticket is contractually prevented from posting segments for a particular period of time? I looked it up via my Android the other day and the most recent segment was posted within a day or so but the segment itself was from a couple weeks back. Couldn't find anything more current than that.

Bob said...

visit ragonk.com
Brilliant.

Sports said...

Listening to The Hardline talk about the greatness of Tyson Chandler should serve as a reminder just how ridiculously wrong the Bad Radio producer is on just about everything. Station will be much better when he's gone.

Anonymous said...

So now the haters are moving on to Jake? Go listen to sports Disney or The FAIL, already. Sheesh.

Mexican Dracula said...

It is so wonderful tuning in to Hardline on a Monday afternoon and not hearing ANY Cowboy talk. The bye week is glorious.

Anonymous said...

sounds like someone has a little crush on jake and his butt hurt that people are talking bad about their hero

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that's what it is, 457. Now please go away somewhere else and cry quietly to yourself. And while you're at, grow up, if only a little. Utterly pathetic.

Plainsman, I am all for registered IDs, etc., if that's what it will take to get rid of the "butt hurt" crowd. I will gladly give up my anonymity if that's the solution.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and 447, learn to write a coherent sentence. I mean, if you're going to troll, at least be good at it. Even -Not Spittle, Not Dawson, Not Richie, who is a troll of the highest order, can put together a cogently written comment.

Shaggy said...

Frankly, I felt like TC, Jake (and Dan) made Bob look a bit silly for his staunch anti-Chip Kelly position.

And Bob is my leader normally, so take that FWIW.

Shaggy said...

Frankly, I felt like TC, Jake (and Dan) made Bob look a bit silly for his staunch anti-Chip Kelly position.

And Bob is my leader normally, so take that FWIW.

Anonymous said...

I disagree, Shaggy. It seemed to me that Bob was merely stating his opinion as to why he doesn't buy into the Chip Kelly is Greatness meme, tried to give his reasons why, but was talked over and in some sense down to, by the rest of the gang. T.C. and Jake are univocal; and Dan is always starting fires and stoking the flames where Bob is concerned. Today was a perfect example of both.

slinky said...

From some one who has been away from the little Ticket for a while, I've been hearing a lot of this "Ragonk"....what is the origin? Is it something similar to Greggo's "a-woo woo woo woo" from back in the day? [man, I still crack up at that]

The Plainsman said...

Slinky: Go to the prior post ("A Handful of Reactions . . .") and find 3:08 Anon. There's a brief explanation there in response to my question and some others weigh in. It has its origins as a T.C. misspeak. That thread and this one have a great deal of ragonk-talk.

The Orphanage reviewed its history on Saturday's presentation.

And, of course, you can get all of your ragonk requirements met at www.ragonk.com

Anonymous said...

Gunther - the newer stuff seems to post directly to the show archives tab.

gunther said...

Ah, ok, thanks. Seems I have an Android version, not the full website. I'll poke around a little more and see if I can find it. Thanks much 8:25.

Anonymous said...

The folks that voted to have TC co-host 3-7 and made Jake the yuck monkey need to have their heads examined. 2 guys with huge bags of nothing hosting afternoon drive? Vomit.

Anonymous said...

9:32 speaks the truth.

cactusflinthead said...

One hundo. just because I get to say

One hundo.