Saturday, March 8, 2014

We're Going to See More and More of This



Philadelphia Judge Issues Ruling That Could Give Anonymous Online Commenters Second Thoughts

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44 comments:

Anonymous said...

I ain't worried! Not if what you're sayin is true! There are all kind of critics that post their opinion on subjects. Now the posters, like the ones making the comments about Richie's wife, they are truly a sorry lot.

cactusflinthead said...

Where is Jake this morning?

And I applaud this ruling. The trolls over at Philly.com, not so much.

beauty school dropout said...

Jake's on vacation.

Instinctively I applaud the ruling. On further reflection, it scares me. Not the ruling per se, but rather the door it might (and in al likelihood will) open.

cactusflinthead said...

@bsp
That anonymous comments might have a a name applied to them? There were anonymous tipsters before the advent of the comments sections; it came with a cost. Sometimes it cost you a job, family and political connections. I am willing to make the trade. What this does for me is make the anonymous commenter with no better argument than an ad hominem attack upon a person with a known name think a bit more about whether to hit the enter key. Some won't and will pay for it in the same manner we previously used.

beauty school dropout said...

I hear you, cfh, I do. But fools unable to carry on a dialogue (be it in agreement or disagreement) don't bother me so much as the aforementioned fools having to pay (in every sense of the term) for being fools. What worries me is the way in which the state and/or society will make the fools pay, and, eventually, how far will it go.

Can you speak more both to the cost that anonymous tipsters used to pay and to the last sentence in your comment? I'm in the dark on that particular.

cactusflinthead said...

http://www.victimsofcrime.org/our-programs/national-crime-victim-bar-association/case-law/failure-to-conceal-identity-of-anonymous-tipster-homicide
This one the police failed to protect the tipster and within 24 hours he was dead, sued Green Bay and lost.
http://articles.mcall.com/2013-10-15/business/mc-ppl-halloween-storm-denial-20131015_1_puc-spokeswoman-jennifer-kocher-documents-pennsylvania-public-utility-commission
This one the judge decided against revealing the tipster.
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he agency said the documents are not public record because they are part of the PUC's "pre-decisional deliberations" and fall under the Right-to-Know Law's disclosure exemption for non-criminal investigations. Making them public could expose the identity of the tipster, the agency said.

Keeping the documents confidential was also part of the settlement agreement that led to the $60,000 fine, wrote Public Utility Commission Secretary Rosemary Chiavetta in denying the request. Breaking that agreement would make it more difficult to reach settlements in other cases.

"Maintaining the confidentiality of the requested materials is a material obligation on the Commission necessary to obtain PPL's agreement to the proposed settlement," Chiavetta wrote.

in this case Bo Pelini thinks he knows who the tipster might be, but wants to do it in house. Think they might be looking for another job?
http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/pelini-has-idea-of-tipster-s-identity/article_099ebb94-2067-11e3-8bc6-001a4bcf887a.html

How about the legendary Deep Throat? Would they have kept a gig or their connections?

The case in question that Pman presented was an electrician who did not like being defamed online and so the judge said they could demand the ISP to tell who it was. How about we go further in this and say that if you do not have a traceable IP address you do not get to post comments?

beauty school dropout said...

I appreciate the info, cfh. Food for thought, absolutely. I still remain queasy about such things. When we start to delve into what are ultimately First Amendment Rights, I become extremely leery of possible future outcomes.

Closely related if not intimately tied up to this subject is the issue that's already cropping up with "Internet Scrubbing" companies: companies that promise either hide or eradicate negative combox and other assorted postings by a business's dissatisfied customers. Prima facie this sounds reasonable and even fair. Problems arise when a bad business uses these services to cover up and continue its poor practices. As well, and I'll apply it to the ruling in question here, what defines a bad actor (commenter)? Who defines it? Is the definition fixed or is it moveable? All of these questions, IMHO, are important and ought not to be ignored (not saying you are, cfh). My fear is that laws or potential laws like this can and usually do end up causing more problems than they solve. Furthermore, such laws erode our ever eroding rights of speech, privacy, etc. Of course there are fools out there. Far too many fools. Yet that is the price we pay for our Bill of Rights. When we give an inch, no matter how reasonable that inch might be, a mile or ten, eventually, is taken. Hence my uneasiness about this topic.

I really appreciate your thoughts, cfh. Keep them coming.

Anonymous said...

Just listened to the latest IJB. Very interesting stuff. A big congrats to TC.

TC said a lot between the lines. One thing I found sorta funny and at the same time a bit endearing was his thought that "some studies show" once you get into your 30s you'll probably never move away and whatnot. His youth showed. You're a smart kid TC but sorry friend that isn't the way things work. Life itself usually dictates those things. Rarely is it the other way around. You'll learn. Trust me you will. Thought the line he and Jake threw out about trying to get a show on the weekend to no avail was telling. Told me 2 things. One that Cat was lying when he sent that message to Pman over the Ladies Be Tripping fiasco saying no one has ever approached him for a show. Surprise a corporate guy will lie to your face. Who'd a thunk it. Two that the CTO was unimpressed with IJB when it had its two opportunities. Unimpressed with TC. TC said as much. TC also said he holds his chops in higher esteem than the CTO. As he should. But I have to say that when you hear him talk the way he does and the way he would get pretty fn haughty a lot of the times when he did get on air --and stuff like not being a team player during the GBL payoff-- I'm not sure TC ever did himself any favors with the opportunities he did get. Was also fairly evident that he's bitter about TSJ. He never once said something like nothing against Seabass. I'm happy for TC. Hopefully he'll succeed in Florida and maybe get the sorta large chip on his shoulder taken off. It's definitely there.

Stay hard TC!

Anonymous said...

This is just some Judge overstepping the boundaries of the constitution! We see all the time these days. Thats why the country lives in a state of paranoia. You can make fun of the President for crying out load! You can call the President any name you can think of. You just cannot threaten any physical violence or harm.

cactusflinthead said...

@Anon1235. There is a difference between a public figure and a private citizen. You can call public figures all sorts of names in the media, but when it comes to a private citizen that is another matter entirely. This case in question I believe the man was called a child molester. He did not take kindly to being defamed online. He wanted/wants to confront the one who did it. The anonymous commenter did not want to be revealed. That is the long and short of it. If you get online and call somebody names like that you should not have the ability to hide behind a wall of anonymity. We also have a right to face our accuser.

@Anon722
I agree on the GBL payoff. You make a bet, you make good on that bet. Even if it means sitting in the hot sun in a green man costume dripping sweat.
I tend to agree with you too that the Catman was either misleading or outright lied about the IJB boys approaching them for a weekend show. A boss lies to you? Shocking! That the CTO might have said, "um no, do not give them their own show." Yeah I can buy that too. Whether or not they interfered with programming is debatable. Haughty? Yeah, I would say smug as well. But, good luck in Pensacola.

Anonymous said...

Cactus-

There are limits on what you can say or write about a public figure. If a public figure gets upset because you call them a jerk, tough. If you call a public figure a child molester, that is actionable. The test for defaming a public figure is malice. If you knew the accusation was false and made it anyway, that's malice. The defense in that case is truth. If you can prove that the public figure is a child molester, you can't be found guilty of libel (written) or slander (spoken).

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and do not play one on TV.

Amon d said...

Ijb has been around long enough that I buy cats statement. Iirc it was about who had approached him in the last year or so.
And maybe for hardcore p1s it's just banter was decent. For me it was a complete meh. Not bad, but not worth a couple hour show every weekend . The CTO's obviously valued jake and don't value TC . I can see why he left . And let's face it, the star if the top 10 are the main hosts , not the marginally talented TC who introduces the segments.

Anonymous said...

Bob & Dan calling out SBass for not inviting them to his wedding/party thing was greatness! Sorry Sean, but you're in the wrong with the "would you even go" excuse...

sidenote: so, sean, ty, tc, and jake are all getting married this year?! i think they've reached the quota for workplace weddings in one year..

Anonymous said...

@951
Hey Cat, glad to see you posting here!

@1242
I think Sean not inviting them maybe shows that the BaD bit about treating their subordinates or those lower on the totem pole might not be a bit after all. As a side note,

Way way back in the old days the phenomenon of contagious proposals, engagements, and marriages occurred. In one year you had a whole slew of JVs including Followill who took a ride on that train.

Anonymous said...

Surprised there is no mention to Danny and Dave thinking they were off air when discussing jarring this past Saturday.

cactusflinthead said...

@Anon350. I heard it on the radio and I suppose I am desensitized to some words being tossed around. It didn't register for a minute or two.

I'll post the link to the case brief of Carol Burnett v. National Enquirer and leave it at that. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/communications/burnett.html

If I was SeaBass I'd have made the same guess about Dan. But, then he did begin to realize that rather than being a 3hr ride like Ty's wedding it was over at Danny's place. Any good excuse to get out of the house works. I'd consider that standard nut-kicking to a buddy, "Hey man where is my invite!" rather than actually being miffed that he didn't get the engraved invitation. Bob can't go anyway since he is all FC Dallas that day apparently.

Ok, so within the last year, but how many months beyond that year? I call splitting hairs on that one. The original point is that IJB asked for some air time and Cat said no. Yes or no? Instead we get "Nachos!" As meh as IJB might be I had rather listen to a smug Jake and TC tell us old farts how much smarter they are than us than listen to that hen party.

Jiggity McDiggity said...

While Cat has all but ignored the farm system, I honestly have to ask...are we REALLY losing alot with the departure of young fa fuh fuh fa fa? Hardworking young man, yes. But did he REALLY contribute? Im not a IJB p1, but I just don't see Thomas Charles as someone who can carry a show. I still like him as a person, and I hope things go well in florida...

cactusflinthead said...

I don't know how many hockey fans are here, but I am not going to forget that incident tonight any time soon. I had totally forgotten Rich Peverley had a heart issue back in training camp.

I can laugh now about him telling the doc he wanted back in the game and asking Coach Ruff how much time was left in the period, but it was one of the freakiest silences I have ever seen/heard on tv.

Anonymous Ron said...

Very scary.

Anonymous said...

I always enjoy IJB and what TC contributes. He puts effort into mining for interesting stories or topics, and has an underrated sense of humor when given the long-form of the podcast. Sounds like the Pensacola gig is 100% sports, so might not lend itself to casual online listening, but hopefully IJB will live on long-distance.

Anonymous said...

Bekka says "hash browns" weird. She puts the emphasis on the second word.

T4 In Rockwall said...

She's got that valley girl drawl. I'm out on that.

birq said...

She also has a weird Sports Panties inflection to her voice. It's very odd.

Frank Wastelander said...

BaD talking TC at 2:30

Frank Wastelander said...

follow @AP1Wasteland on twitter for live tweet of TC segment.

Shaggy said...

How is it possible that TC does not know the call letters of the station he's going to work for? And earlier he wasn't sure who he'd be working with.

Hard to fathom.

Anonymous said...

Also hard to fathom why everything has to be second guessed.

Tangent said...

Becca's taking a beating this week....

Smith said...

I can't believe you people care so much about what the traffic person sounds like. Who cares?

The Plainsman said...
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The Plainsman said...

I didn't catch the TC segment on BaD or the live tweeting (thank you, Frank W). Can anyone give a report on this?

I'm puzzling over what to write in my TC sendoff. One thing is certain, he's made himself a Ticket immortal, which is something right there.

Anonymous said...

Eh, a Ticket Immortal? I think you get more Ticket info from your commenters than from actually listening to the station. TC, like all the rest (and sooner rather than later Greggo will be included) who have left, will be a distant memory at best (for those listening during his time at there) and a never was at worst (for most listeners).

Look. Good for TC. He saw the reality of the situation, decided not to delude himself, and is taking a chance, an opportunity, at making a go at it in what is a very tough game to break into. But for Pete's sake, let's get some perspective on this. He was no Grubes; and even Grubes becomes more and more a distant memory with each passing month. He's no Kevin Scott. KScott was Jake before there was Jake. No one but actual D1P1s know who Expo was. That guy was Grubes before Grubes. If not for Expo, there never would've been Grubes. He was a game changer. Now the only thing he's know for is the (to most listeners a sort of cryptic or nonsensical) name a host will reference every once in a while when it's time to go to break or something like that. Rocco Pendola > TC in station history. Hell, Gribble contributed infinitely more than TC. I could go on and on.

Like I said, great move for TC. I wish him all the luck in the world. But in truth, for most listeners he's a punch line. He's the fuh fuh fuh guy. He's the guy who would whine on air about everything. He's the guy you know who isn't a bad guy, but has an inordinate amount of self-confidence and who thinks he's much better at things than he actually is. He also has a large chip on his shoulder. Most who come off like he does have a large chip on their shoulder. Like cactus said, he came off as smug and full of snark. I have to think this wasn't lost on his superiors.

Here's to TC succeeding in spades in FLA. But he's no Ticket Immortal. Come on, man.

East Texas P1 said...

P-man - I only heard it because Frank W posted that it would be played. Normally I never listed to BaD (I can listen to Donnie) so I tuned in.

I thought it was incredibly....I don't know the words....all the reasons I don't listen to BaD.

Dan, over and over, "I thought I would never say this"; "The last thing I ever thought"; etc. etc. Bob chiming in with slightly less derogatory inflection but the meaning was there. They all (BaD) were just mystified that TC had made this jump. Questioning about how small a station and/or would he actually be a PD over "real" employees.

I wrote over a year ago how Corby was being a bully on air. TC even admitted to much in one IJB podcast. I have no bone in this for TC because, face it, I too wonder how he got this new gig. But if a fellow co-worker of mine got a good, new, gig I would not ride their ass about it.

All the things I don't like about BaD are embodied in this segment and reinforces why I don't listen to them mid-day. Thanks to Frank W for posting the alert. I am glad I listened to TC's interview and the schmuck that is BaD.

Anonymous said...

Really? It's gotten to traffic chick pronunciation complaints now? You guys have way too much free time.

Half-Cat said...

My thought is that TC made the best move for him. He even admitted on BADD yesterday that he was never taken seriously. He knew that he would always be just a bit/joke at the Ticket because the main hosts would never respect him. He would never be an alpha male in the room at the ticket. I respect him more for doing this and wish him the best of luck at a new start.

This got me thinking though....quite a few hosts seem to minimize and even paint these producers/board ops/ticker guys as clowns from the outset. I guess it's a form of keeping them in their place and squashing any real momentum for them to move up in the ranks.

Frank Wastelander said...

@Half Cat unless they have real host talent, like Jake.

Anonymous said...

@10:51

totally agree on the hosts vs board/producers. if fact, i was worried BaDD would suffer from this after Tom left, cause he was for the most part Dans whipping boy...he'll never treat Jake like he did Gribs cause they're so buddybuddy.

also, i know jake had already established a relationship w/ THL as an intern before moving to the board, but was he ever treated with such little regard as Mino?! I know mike will play up the old man/hates change shtick..but seriously, i get the feeling that he really does not like david.

#THF said...

prepare for a viral confluence of Shawn Marion, Danny Balis and David Mino.

Anonymous said...

Any word on who is taking TCs place?

Anonymous said...

After listening to TC's flip off pre farewell tonight, I'm ready for someone with less of an alarmingly amount of self confidence and overall snark to take over. Someone like Chris House. He had the perfect blend of Ticket smartassery and knowing of one's place in the hierarchy.

Stop it with the traffic chick slams. That's just pathetic.

T4 In Rockwall said...

This poster is definitely not slamming on Becca. Just pointing out that the inflection in her voice grates on me. I hear to many young kids talk that way and it usually comes off as an attitude.

Shaggy said...

What did TC say/do?

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Anonymous said...

What about in the cases in which it is true? Also can an employer hold an employee responsible for something a family member (son, daughter, wife) has said?